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[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: You're live.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: You're live. It is Friday. The twentieth. And we are here with environmental planning and sustainability's budget. Mhmm. And this is Senate Transportation. And if you would introduce yourself, we would bore all the leaders. Okay. Great. Thanks.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Andrea Wright, environmental policy and sustainability manager.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Guess I'm so low. Sometimes Patrick puts me back. Okay, I'm good there. Yeah. So before I get into the budget and the numbers, I just wanted to sort of ground you all again in the purpose of the Environmental Policy and Sustainability Program. We really support the agency in all aspects of environment. We have had a focus in the last few years on climate as the agency looks to implement the IIJ funding, the related programs, the Carbon Reduction Program, the Resilience Protect Program, the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program. And we look to meet the requirements of the Global Warming Solutions Act and the climate action plan that goes along with that, the comprehensive energy plan, and then the resilience plans such as the State Hazard Mitigation Plan. We contribute to that as well, and the Statewide Resilience Implementation Strategy. So basically, all of these different areas of environment, we're really looking to understand the regulatory environment and the needs of the agency and then create initiatives around those. Those initiatives are then codified sometimes in policy, and then we look for what the funding needs are and availability of funding for those different types of programs. I also just wanted to provide a little overview of what we've been up to in the last year. So over 2025, definitely an interesting and sort of tumultuous year. Lots of ups and downs and weaving and being flexible within the environmental programs just from what's happening at the federal level. Despite having all these funds, there's a lot of different things going on, certainly in the NEVI program. That was a very active program in 2025, but we did follow through with contracting an additional eight locations.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Were those the same contracts you had that you just said?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: We had made awards. We hadn't moved to contracts on all of those. But yes. So we have only had the one solicitation.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Like go up to bid against?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: No. No. We did have some contractors back out because of some of the changes. And so right now we're just working with two different vendors.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Couple of questions on that. So, thought those contracts were actually really good and how they require over a ten year period. Five year. I thought it was ten, just five.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Five year, yes, the design, build, own, operate, maintain.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yes. Okay. So just regarding the system totally with the public and the private, do you have a sense of how far along we are? Because I think we're doing really well in terms of not needing a lot more. Like for example, we're definitely more than half, I'm pretty sure.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: More than half to our current needs?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Half of what we need, yeah, because it isn't exactly like gas stations because a fair amount of people charge their homes.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: So do we know what the demand is? Think that's really the number right now. We did provide the NEBBI report, the annual report that was required. We submitted that on January 15. I can't remember the number right now. I'd be happy to come back and usually give a presentation on that. Right, so we know

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: what the state's goals are, but in the meantime there's a lot of other chargers, public chargers, that are what I would call good public chargers because you can use a credit card and you don't have to have an account. I mean, to me that's a threshold and they're not always broken. But I think I don't want to spend state money if

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: we don't need to. We have not met the state goals of having one every three miles and 25. Can't speak right now. How close we are to meeting that once we completely get all of our nevi funds out and have to come back

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: So with when you look at how far you are along, do you include the private?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yes, when we're looking at our total.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Private or publicly available.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yes, okay, so that is counted.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Okay, good. Not only publicly funded. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Yeah, like I said, happy to come back and give a presentation or even just follow-up, sort of pulling out some of those points from the report. You've heard quite a bit, I think, already about MBOC from Patrick and other states. I know you've been taking some testimony on that, but just include that here because the match for the federal grant was carried in the EPS budget. Working on allocating and obligating the carbon reduction program funds. So we were able to allocate another 8,000,000. We're obligated 12,000,000 thus far in that program. We'll go into detail about that a little bit on another slide.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: The president

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: said 27,000,000. Your slide just said 12,000,000.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: We have allocated 27,000,000, but we have not gotten the obligation point.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: And remaining five to get to the 32, is that still available? It's still available. We

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: have to figure out where we want to put that.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Okay. And you have a deadline?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: '29. So we're in good shape. There's a three year period after each apportionment, or each federal year apportionment, and we're not in danger of collapsing as long as we keep moving. In the resilience space, we contracted for the design of two hazard mitigation grant award projects. One is sort of a nature based solutions, an engineered logjam in Jericho along Route 117, and then we're doing some work for erosion in the Notch on 108. We've also used some innovation funds to develop nature based solutions framework for the agency to look where we can incorporate nature based solutions more readily and easily and make good choices about where those types of systems would be put into our projects. Okay.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: And just a question on that. So can you do floodplains if it's relative to stormwater off

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: of the road? We can. The protect funds definitely allow for that. And then it would be a matter of without the protect funds, just sort of in scoping what we determine is the best use. And the nature based solutions does sort of broaden that out to outside the right of way if need be. We'd have to go project by project to figure that out. And of course, rights to Redwood is always a challenge, but it's what's being considered in nature based solutions. Not exclusively to go outside right away with nature based solutions, but it is an option for government. Federal Highway has some guidance out on that as well, and other states are definitely starting to look more at that. And then, of course, the incentive programs, which you all are familiar with from 2020 to 2025. We had those incentive programs. We wrapped those up in 2025. So almost 7,000 incentives and $23,500,000 issued through that. Of course, were income based and so 67% of the incentives, 79% of the funding went to lower income Vermonters. Getting into our state fiscal year twenty seven proposal, these are the numbers. Electric vehicle charging infrastructure is what that's the number there that we expect to deploy in state fiscal '27. Really, that will include wrapping up some of the current projects under contract as well as early expenditures under our next solicitation. It includes a third party oversight and our staff time on that as well. And that's sort of where things look a little funky in the in the match on that. The transportation fund is showing the state match only for that staff time and the construction oversight. The match for the actual construction comes from the local vendors. Is this all

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: fiscal year 2017? Yep.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Carbon reduction oversight is just our staff time for implementing those funds. We also are looking at implementing some of those funds towards our fleet charging infrastructure. So we have that in there. The protect oversight is staff time for program oversight. Again, if you remember from the Protect program, 2% of that program, 2% of the funds have to go to planning. So part of that is staff time. Another part of that is projects like updating our transportation resilience planning tool. We're looking at the needs for funding some hydraulics advancements that would help municipalities in sizing structures. Those are the type of things that those planning funds can go to.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Can you talk more about the municipal stuff?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Can talk a little bit about it. Our hydraulics unit had been working on that. We've got some change in staff there, so I haven't looked back with them to see if they're carrying that forward, but it's in concert with USGS. And it is really just sort of a software design program where a municipality or any entity could go in and see the watershed to where they're looking to replace their infrastructure. And it would do some initial sizing for that. So it's a hydraulics, it's like the H and H studies, the hydraulics and hydrology studies, sort of built into a platform where they can at least get to a point where they've had a conceptual plan. To save them some money in consultant fees and having to at least have that conceptual plan before they maybe have to go to a consultant and finalize a design. That sounds like

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: it's great. So like if they're going to replace a culvert, there's a map that they can have access to.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yeah, I'm not sure if it's GIS based, but it is a No, that's huge. Because

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: getting a consultant is often the biggest barrier. So if their own people can go through and look at that, it should

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: save our own staff time because a lot of hydraulics requests that come in from municipalities to our hydraulics unit and then yeah, just help municipalities. If you

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: could send me a link to that at some point.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: It's in development, but I will get you some more information Okay, on that's wonderful. Thank you. Hazard mitigation, those are the projects. So I just talked about the the two FEMA projects, the one in the Notch and one on 01/2017. So those are accounted for there. And then those last two line items are just sort of general planning funds from Federal Highway, things like Act two fifty, road ecology, contaminating soils, and those different things that come up for that, and then general sustainability planning, research, interagency coordination, and support of carbon emissions reductions and resilience. This is our changes from last year. Quite an increase related, 57% increase in the total with the T Fund down 5%, and that increase is related to the timing of the NEVI and the FEMA projects. We have over 100% increase in the federal NEVI funds from last year, and then that huge increase in the IDT because last year for the FEMA projects, we were just looking at construction management. We were just getting those projects going. We didn't even have a design consultant on board. We do now, but really it's just accounting for those construction funds of those two projects. So a big jump there. Let's see, the large increase in the local match just corresponds to the NEBI funds and has more in construction, more of the local match for those projects. So it is a large increase overall and a little shocking, but really it's just that we're starting to make some progress on implementation of both

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: of those NEPI and FIBO projects.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: So that is sort of the budget. And I thought if we have time, I know we're running behind, so feel free to cut me off or whatever needs to be. But I thought I'd spend a few minutes just going over the three IIJ programs. Is an overview of where we are and the apportionments that have been made in each of those programs. We do have all of those funds. And then, like I said, we have three years to obligate those funds from the time that they were apportioned.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: FY 01/06 ends in September 30? Mhmm. The There's no more money present in after FY '26?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: I don't think we know that yet. Depends on what happens with the reauthorization and if there's a continuing resolution,

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: I don't even know. Who knows how these programs will stand. Is there anything that

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: department or agency has done to try to speed up like the NEVI, which in my view might still be at risk?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yeah, and we'll get into that. Okay. I have one slide on that.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: In all of this, is this all money in hand, or have they held any of it up?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: None of it has been held up yet.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: But is it reversible?

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: Well, the charging stations was not held up. No, we're in good shape.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: It was before, but now we've got it.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Oh yeah, 2025 was held up. We did what we needed to, we rushed through, we obligated all the funds, and we are still holding, like, fingers crossed, we're

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: We're in good reimbursed business. You don't have it.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: They have been apportioned to us. We have not obligated them.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: It's like in your federal Yes.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yes. So the carbon reduction program. This is just showing the different types of programs and projects that we've allocated Carbon Reduction Program funds to. Some of them are already obligated. Like I said, we have $12,000,000 obligated, and then there's the sum that we have just said we want carbon reduction program funds to go to those, and we are not quite at a place in our project development where those can be obligated yet, but they're waiting for those to get to that phase. And really, they just align with what we did in the carbon reduction strategy, transit and micro mobility services, a bit on fleet conversion, bike ped projects, and then we are looking to also help use some of the CRP funds. I don't know if you've heard from Ross yet in transit, but some of the CRP funds are going to supplement transit operations and services as well. And then there's the traffic efficiency type of projects, roundabouts, the signals that keep traffic flowing and help to bring down emissions. This is the PROTECT funding, the resilience improvement plan. Just all the different projects that the protect funds have gone to protect funds could go to standalone resilience projects, or they could go to incremental costs of projects that were not for the sole purpose of resilience, but have resilience components. And so these are the projects that we've allocated those funds to. A bunch you can see have already been obligated there. Again, that resilience improvement plan, the 2% that I talked about. And then, we had some external research where we are looking at the cost efficiency or efficacy of the municipal roads general permit practices so that municipalities can understand that if they do these things on the roads, it has a benefit for resilience. And so we're doing a little research on that. We're sort of midstream on that. And then we had some that were flexed to STBG early on, and we used those at the Richmond Culvert on the interstate there and a few other culvert projects. Of course, all of our culvert design, bridges, and those types of things, due to the nature of our standards, have a resilience benefit. So we know where those $37,000,000 are going for the future. Just

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: pick a project and kind of describe how it fits in with your plan, what the resilience plan is? Yes.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Trying to remember which ones are on here that are on the RIP. So the two Worcester projects, those, and I actually spoke to about one of them when I was in here for the wildlife crossings, because of that dual benefit of resilience. When you widen for resilience, you also have a greater connectivity for ecology. So that is one of the projects. I'd have to have the numbers in front of me, but like a Searsburg project, we knew we were gonna do that. That was on our capital program. And so we went through and said, if we were to replace this Searsburg project in kind, it would cost this much. And so it's not a standalone resilience project because we were replacing it for an asset condition. And so if we were going to replace it in kind, would cost this much. But we are upsizing it to a different structure size. And so it costs this much, and we were able to apply those protect funds to the incremental costs in kind to upsizing. The program is pretty complicated. Would be at 80% of the incremental cost if it's not on the RIP, 90% if it is on the RIP. And the RIP? There's a resilience improvement plan that we did to prioritize where these funds should go.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Just a follow-up question. There are situations where there's a bridge that's been there for a long time and when we want to add sidewalks when the bridge is redone, would that be something that would be eligible for funding?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: If we were going to replace that, those components would not be eligible. Sidewalk or bike lanes? It's really just the upsizing of the structure. That would be our other STBG funds that covers that part. But there are other? Just our normal programming funds. Oh, oh, Yeah.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: I'm a little slow at ease. So, for example, Elmore, which is the Covert 64, here it obligates 1,000,001 half. We are budgeting in state highway bridges $4,200,000 Is that so is the number that is in the state highway bridge program, is that 1.5 in that 4.2? Yep. Alright.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: It's one of the funding tools

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: Yeah, that goes to the trying figure out. So when we look at these, we should go back to find the project in the Yes. Okay. Perfect. Yep. That's helpful.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: And then my last slide is just on the NEVI program. We have two buckets of federal funds related to EV charging infrastructure, the 21,000,000 from the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Project from the IIJA, and then we had $2,000,000 in ARPA funds also. And like I said, 2025 was all over the place for NEVI funding. We didn't know if we were gonna be able to move forward. The Federal Highway did get revised guidance out and we were able to move forward. We worked really quickly to obligate those funds so that they were more secure. So we've got 28 locations that we have obligated funds for. We had that original pilot program in Bradford that opened up 2024, I believe. And then we are currently deploying $8,000,000 through awards in our first solicitation that is for an additional eight locations. Those should be wrapped up by the end of this calendar year. And then we are looking to go out for a second solicitation with the remaining 19 locations with the $13,000,000 that we have left. And hopefully that will go out in spring, probably mid to late spring. That will go out with that second solicitation. So

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: are you doing some of the waste stations? No.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Are you that's

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: it.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Weigh stations?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Or not the the, the rest stations. It just seems like Oh. Upstates. Yeah. You can't do them on the interstate.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: Yeah. Can't charge money.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: You can't make money. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Could do it for free.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yep. Interesting. That's a shame. And there's

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: other people's stuff. There's other locations. Well, there's other criteria. Park and rides are one thing. Rest areas are another thing because they do have amenities, but we want to make sure that there is safe and accessible amenities at these charging locations. That's what we are working right now through Drive Electric. Vermont has partnered with us in getting the word out for our second solicitation. We have found in our first round of contracts that it can be challenging to find a site host and get through the contracting that has to happen with them. Between the vendor and an agreement between the vendor and the site host themselves, but we are looking for interest so that we could include interested site hosts in our next solicitation and sort of trim down the time that it took for that because, like I said, that has been a hurdle.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: Have we ever asked the congressional delegation to try to make a change so it like, the rest areas we could do a charging station.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Why are you not aware of these? Mean, we should, though. I mean, should ask you to talk to our campus.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: I I mean, I

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: I I know. They can't afford. Yeah. It's something like they can't

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: sell gas. Like, if they can't sell

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: fuel Yeah.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: They make a problem. Can't even, like the vending machines are the only exception.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: So let's sell it for our cost.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Well we've talked, we've talked about doing it for free, but that was controversial. So let's sell

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: it to our cost.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I don't know if you can do it

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Why don't we look at that more? Because, I mean, there's restaurants. Yeah.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Yeah. But, you know quite sometimes the coffee is free because they can't

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Oh, yeah. Usually, Well, but Yeah. But I thought

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: we did it. But they do sell sometimes art local art and art stuff there. It's not I I

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yeah. And actually, the vending isn't cheap. I've I've been to a lot of it.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I try to

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: drive a lot. Right? But that's they're market rate. Know,

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: the vending machine have, like, a little charge card in there. Get p seven and the charge card comes down, and you go take it to charger.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: There you go. That's a nice idea. But, yeah

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: you know, Especially Maybe we get to the end of the session, a letter from this committee just said to the congressional delegation, you know, could you look at this?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Right. Right.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: You know? Because we have electricity too.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: And that may be way harder for them to do than I think, it just We're

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: gonna ask. Yeah. Can reach out to, like, David Sheer

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: or, you know, Rebecca's office. Yep.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: He now works with her.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Oh, well, but he still might know.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: He might.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Doug, yeah, please. Let's Yeah. See

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yeah, they are there. There are, you know, different requirements in the guidelines for these funds of how far it can be from the interstate. And so we try to adhere to those. There are places for exceptions to those as well. So it is to make things as convenient as possible. It's the goal with the whole network across the country, for sure.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: And what's the so did you talk about round two?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Round two, we hope to go out with a solicitation in this spring. This should be hopefully in May. We've got some work to do to get that out, but we're hearing a little bit from different states that they're not getting quite as much interest in their second and third solicitations as they did in their first. There's been a lot of changes at the federal level that have

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Right. Companies that are investing in this.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yes. We are in good shape right now from the Buy America requirements, and that we have obligated all of our funds. And those you know, if we hadn't obligated at a certain time frame coming up quite soon, they would have to fall under the Buy America requirements. So we feel good about where we are with that.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: On your right hand, the map, you have some that are listed as round two locations. That's probable locations because you have initial

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Those are so we have For our plan, and our state goals for 25 miles apart, we decided where those locations should be along our network. And so we have

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: So the RFP is for those locations?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yes.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Right. Okay.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yep. And that's what when we go out our work with our site hosts right now through the RPCs and other entities, we're just saying, these are the locations. Do we have any site hosts within a close proximity at least to these locations that people are interested in hosting?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: So that's oh, sorry.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I was so you can read into sharing. I can write. Could redone it with some of the chart instructions. So

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: then this is so the map on the right that is it looks pretty solid to me, you know in terms of a network that is functional. Yep.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Sorry, I'm only making sure. The map on the left where we're at currently contracted Yes. Then we will fill in. So that's nine, and we have up to 19 locations. So we'll include the rest of those. No, we have 28 locations. Sorry, the map on the right is 28 locations. So we have 19 more that we'll include in the second solicitation. We hope to see close to that many. We'll see what we get.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yeah, so that's, I mean to me we're pretty much there. Right, right, but once we, it's just good to have a map that I mean within five years, ten years we should be able to do that. Right?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: And then we have maintenance. Yeah, the good thing about where we're at now with those nine locations is that we got what's called fully built out status. So it gives us a little bit more flexibility. The original guidelines were that you have to have four ports, 150 simultaneously charging. And now that we've met the fully built out, when we go back out, we can see what the interest is from the vendors in being a little creative with that. Could have some level twos. We could have different configurations. And so that might help with what we see for bids. Good. Yep, thank you. That's all I had. Happy to answer any other questions you might have? Certainly happy to come back and ask any to hear from all the other programs if you want to hear more about the NEVI program or how we wrapped up with the incentive programs at those two.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: And then so this is all on the NEVI before, right? How close is it? Because I know we're trying to get the transportation to the certain miles. So if like you have Waterbury on there, close does it have to be to where that is? Like when you're doing the RFP, does somebody have to be right by Exit 10, you know, within a mile of an extended time?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: It's supposed to be within a mile of the exit, and that's what we put in as a location, as a proposed location. So it can change from the exact location that we chose

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: We don't get

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: our still should meet those requirements.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: What about the roads that aren't highways, like Route 2? How close does it need to stay with have you guys where that peaked out, you say Marshfield, I don't know if you actually met Marshfield, that's just the closest town, but how close does that have to be for that spot? Is that like an exact spot or we just want something halfway between St. J. And Montpelier?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Well, we would like it to be pretty close to that, and so we're looking for site hosts within that area. And if we don't get that, or we get bids that have a different proposal, then we would look at that.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I was just thinking how far I can reach out to people to those two ones that are in my district to try to find people that would be interested. They might not know about it, they just don't think about it, but they would be in a good location.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yeah, certainly, have Hilary Del Roscoe who is leading our program now. Patrick kind of started this and Hilary has taken over and is leading the deployment and is very intimately familiar with all these maps and all the guidelines. So if you do have time later in the session and you want to hear about the report, I'm get to come back in.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Because you need a site and then you also need a contractor. Because the site host probably doesn't want to deal with building and maintaining and operating.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Right. Yes. We have a vendor and then we have a site host, usually two different entities, and they have to get into an agreement themselves.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: And is Norwich still doing their

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Norwich is one of our two vendors that we have right now.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I didn't know when they when I talked to them when they when there was the hold up, and they're like, we don't know if we can keep the staff because Right. We don't know if there's gonna be any back and stuff. Yep. Glad to hear they were able to

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yeah. There's respond. There's still challenges. It's a lot of upfront costs. It's reimbursement to them. So getting these Right. Getting the equipment, and they have they only have the two of them. So they have multiple sites in ordering that equipment and putting out millions of dollars upfront. It's a risk to them, especially with everything that's going on. We have tried to instill some confidence that we did a good job and we're very diligent about getting our funds obligated and we should be secure, but there there is some risk involved in that today's environment.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: The last question is, of the under contract ones, do you think those are gonna be under construction in this construction season?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Yep. Yep. And we hope to have whatever we get through the second solicitation under contract by the end of the year also so that they can be constructed next year. Great. That's great. Yes. It's nice to see you. So the green ones are going to be constructed? Yep.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: That's true. So I just have one question in my district. So Putney is pretty close to Brarborough. I know they have concerns about their, park and ride. So I don't know if they're on the list. If you chose that instead of a town or let me start again. Putney seems very close to Brattleboro. Yes. And I'm wondering why you chose Putney as opposed to something farther north.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: That's a good question for Hillary. Is that Hillary? The plan deployment, yeah, in our development of the plan.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: You able to just connect

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: me with her? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, and I can add them to that position for you. But again, on any of the location, can come back and have a more in-depth conversation on the plan development, the locations, the process.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Thank you for your work, it's great. It's

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: just, you know, completion of all of this is what hoped?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Well, we hope to have our second solicitation locations built by the 2027. What year is that? Yeah. Pretty funny, they've got to be under contract by the end of this year and then constructed next year.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: And those are the green ones?

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Those are all the locations that we are able, the green ones will be constructed this year.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Okay, the pink ones are '27?

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: Yeah, they're all good.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: That's great. Yeah. Whatever we can get through the second solicitation. Don't know if we'll get four beds or we'll get 17 locations. We really don't know. So it'll be an interesting spring and solicitation, and we're doing our best to pique the interest again. Like I said, instill that confidence that we're we feel like we're in a pretty good place without funding. Great.

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: Thank you. Thank you.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Wow. Right on time. How are you? Good. Good. Same as

[Sen. Richard Westman (Chair)]: We genuinely ran over. Dave? Yes. Thank you for coming back. You're very welcome. Enjoy your lesson. It'll take a few minutes. You could join us. We're recently. Are we meeting our goals with trucks?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yeah, okay, let's see.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Good morning. For the record, my name is Dave Thurber, the director of the Century Garage Fleet. I'm back to hopefully answer questions and give you good information as to where we're at. I was hoping to get one page, but I kind of stuck to the same format. Hopefully a little bit familiar. Yeah. So I'll start with the first slide. This is our dump trucks with plows and we have two fifty five in the fleet. Currently 129 are 30 years old. There's 97 that are eight years and older. Then I I went into next year to look ahead a little bit, and we'll have 29 more trucks turning eight years in the next twelve months. So we have 49% of our dump trucks that need to be replaced, which is only 26 trucks. As I mentioned, we have four trucks waiting waiting in the wings to be upfit. Three of them actually went to the vendor this week to be upfit, and we got three trucks back, so that was kinda nice. And I know the answer to this question. Eight years is the Typically, best time to auction something out of the fleet is when our our cost to keep them maintained and on the road starts to increase. So if I see this, we have the number of trucks under eight years is 129, the number of trucks over is 97, and you've got 29 in the next twelve months. There are how many in this budget to replace? Have the action on the last slide. So at the end oh, that if you're gonna get to it, we'll Yeah. Well, it's okay. Okay. Yeah. If we're gonna get to it, that's fine. Okay. So after we will be down to 86 trucks, let's say it's forty year in service, the 40 new ones. To stick with the eight year plan, we would need to replace 32 trucks a year. Over the last handful of years, it's been 27, 29 trucks, so we are falling a little bit behind. However, they have increased considerably in cost, And it did show on that last slide, you know, if I had all the money I needed for FY '27,

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: it's a

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: fair amount of money more than I actually had before the subject gets. So is this saying 56% of our drugs are over eight years? Currently, right now it's 49%. In the late duty pickups. Oh, I'm sorry. I had moved on. And then one last note here on the on the first slide. I talked with our salesman from our cloud vendor yesterday. We have, I think, one more extension on our contract or if it goes after bid, we'll be another 6% higher on the plows and bodies for the next round of trucks. So are you saying we're gonna be at 55 or older than the eight years? Is that what you're saying? Another 6% on top of the No,

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: that's just the cost. Oh, okay.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Cost. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah, Andy. I'm a little slow. The fit up, how many are you expecting to be able

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: to do a year for the fit ups? Or does that change? There's bottleneck for the Fitbit part.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: So currently there's a bottleneck with the Outfit. They have held their pricing pretty close. Each time, I mean, they've asked for modest increases, 2.5%, 4%, which we discussed. By the time we get to the next round, from 2023 to the next round we'll be 6% higher.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: But the 40 that you are waiting for price for those, how long does it take to get those 40?

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: They have told us that they hope to have them done by I think it was November. November 26. Any organ implant? Some of the chassis we have had for approximately a year. So

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: what Oh, god. That is a very long time.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Right, is it just because there's only one company? Yeah. And then that adds in there, it's like if there's been

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: a constriction in the competition, then that We did have, Pencil, who is still in in existence, but they were purchased by HP Fairfield, and now they're in New Hampshire. And they did bid last time, but they did not complete their paperwork, so their bid was not accepted. So they don't remember how Just long from a rough so what you're telling me is if I'm gonna get an order in, the process better start two years ahead. Yeah. I'm about done. So I know we have chassis we have paid for that are sitting in our yard

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: waiting. But then to say, okay, send it out.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: I I would rather have it that way than to have the up there waiting for our chassis. Yeah. So I

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: They're waiting a year, and I think this is a problem with patents too because they're all getting their trucks Yeah. Waiting to get it opened.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Viking does bids for Connecticut and New York through way in the state of New York. You know, they're buying a 100 trucks or more at the time versus our 20.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Just a quick, just on the delay stuff. So if a truck hasn't been used for a year, could we call it, could we say that the year that it starts being used is when we start calculating its life? Yes. Okay. So

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: in our financial system, we'll put that truck in service, inspect that depreciation when it actually leaves our yard and goes out to be in service. And with our chassis vendors, the truck vendors, we tell them when that happens and our warranty actually starts on that Okay. On that day as well. We don't lose warranty with the truck just Good. Means not being used. They I guess that's one of their way they choose to do business. They'll just let us As long as it's not in the rain or Yeah. Well, no, it's outside It's of being used, so the warranty will start when we tell them that we Well, that's good. So if I was gonna play catch up, should, when a truck gets six years old, they should be thinking about starting the ordering process to make sure that We typically do look at it in year seven or eight. Maybe we need to change that a little bit to allow it to account for the delay. I'm not sure how long that delay is gonna stay. It used to be quite good if we get them within a year. I know Viking has taken on a lot of work, so that's part of the issue, and I don't know what their, you know, what their outlook is gonna be years out. But we are still trying to order trucks, truck chassis every year so that we have them available when they tell us that they can do the work. No,

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I'm just wondering if there's nobody locally like, is this beyond the scope of folks like Iroquois They can't handle it

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: up like that? I would say yes. I mean, they're pretty busy with the smaller smaller trucks that they do. They don't know that That we ask them.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: It could have it wonder if yes I wonder if the agency has looked at you know what kind of development they could do with that market like go to a smaller operator and say like have you thought about expanding we could and maybe there's something the agency could do to help them out make that investment so we're not waiting two years to get

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: a truck for them but I

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: think we also be benefiting all the paths They're also trying to out fire trucks when they're done. Yeah.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Certainly, could have you know, good thoughts. Believe Travel Voice Truck Center up in Old Testor does some upfitting bodies for dump trucks, but they don't believe they do require equipment. So I believe they're well on

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: to figure it out if and there's some There might be something in the bid specs that make it hard for a small operator. I don't know what that might be, but we'll have a special bid just for small operators to try to bring more people online. It would be good to think about it.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Yeah. Especially Vermont businesses too.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Yeah.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Clerk)]: Because we have we have big training folks in there.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Yeah. Yeah. We do use Iroquois for some of our smaller stuff. We buy all of the flatbeds that we put on our pickups and things like that. So it certainly give them a phone call and see if something that they could take on before.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: They might say no. That's all it you know? Right. Or find out why they don't bid. You know?

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: So I did kind of focus on the dump trucks and our pickups and the wheel loaders who are working on the expenses from the fleet. The heavy equipment, the wheel builders, we typically say have a fifteen year life. We do have plenty that are over fifteen, but about So fifteen years is for Replacement. That's what we consider On the light duty trucks? No. The wheel loaders. Oh, wheel loaders. Yeah. Light duty trucks is what year? Five years. Five years. Which I'm thinking currently might be a year short. We probably should look at six years because we seem to be keeping them for six years anyway. I'd to explore changing that so that maybe we don't get behind quite so bad at all. So

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: go ahead. So you want your goal is every five years on a plow truck, a late duty plow truck, which makes sense knowing what the beating they take. We have 12 that are over. No. That'll be Oh, have twelve thirty five with 12. So misread that. It's okay. Okay. We

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: have 11 coming up. Yes. So it's 11. And do you

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: have any trucks that are, like, eight years, or is it

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: one year over five years, is one year or two year? I didn't look to see how many years over five, but it's I would say there are six of those 36 trucks. They're at least six years old or older. And they're not quite as bad to keep longer because they're not quite as expensive to maintain. Mhmm. You know, if we have it was a transmission or something that's a little pricey, you know, brakes and things like that are quicker to do and heat or less expensive than generally built with that truck at eight, nine, ten years.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: How much of the maintenance is he doing in Central Drive and how much do you

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: far as the maintenance goes, try to do all of that, all of our equipment. If it's warranty, sometimes we'll send it out if we're busy. We have sent some of the other more maintenance stuff out. Two years ago we were sending out some of our dump trucks in Chitney County because we were short staffed.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: And you do repairs too, like if you do blow a transmission do get, you have the mechanic to do that work. Yes.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: We'll be sending our truck down trucks out for our PM work. It costs a lot of money and it's wasn't the same as what we do. So the trucks had a little more issues. We've pulled back from that just to it's taking us a little longer. We have a goal April to October to get all our PM work done on the heavy cross. We go over that. It's not a hard set timeframe. Try to get all, as much of that done in the summer so they're ready for hopefully the winter. But sometimes we get into the winter months a little bit.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Fantastic. Did you, when, you're buying mostly internationals, right? Yes. And they have heavy duty trusts. When Allegiance, was it? Bought up most of the local dealers. Did you lose a little bit of bargaining power?

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: We did. Yeah. So you're paying more. And then there's a lot of that. We kinda lost the ability to shop for parts afterwards as well. Really? So I believe they own all of the international dealerships in North Carolina. I think they do. Wow. I mean, I'm

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: kind of an international guy, but it might I mean, if it was me, just take a look at it like, what is it? What do they sell? The lawn or something? They sell freightliner and Freightliner and see if, you know, maybe they'd be willing to bargain if they got the bid the Well, they do have some print bid on the outfitting. You do have some print.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: I've I've had to talk to them about the plowed gear.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Yeah. I do know they Outfitting? They they did You know, big place there.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: They do dump truck bodies, but they're not sure they do any of the.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: So I don't think the owners of that outfit, they might be willing to do get themselves into anything. Yeah.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Yeah. And we do buy we are able to buy parts for internationals from them. Oh. Because, you know, international for the and they're whatever make they are, kind of in the cab only because we buy different inspect different axles, different rear ends, different engines, such as transmissions. Some have their own engine transmission combination, but we have Cummins engines in our international. So if you buy Cummins parts from brake light, dealer. They also use brake light, Cummins. So there's a little bit of you know, we can shop around a little bit, but if we wanted to stay with international, it's just all Norwegians. Yeah. Our heavy equipment, as far as the unit itself, it's pretty heavy duty. So if it's more than 15 years old, it certainly doesn't it doesn't hurt that much. I mean, we have some rust on the sheet metal. But it does extend that the real order is heavy duty metal and thick steel. So it's What's the time there if you put in an order how long before we can get something running? Those last orders we ordered, it was about six months, maybe nine. I think it was six to begin with, then they called us at us for maybe about months. Yeah. So it's within a year. Okay. Pickups have gotten light duty pickups have gotten much better. They're six months, some time of order. They and they're with the. So that that's come back from the COVID slowdown for sure. So here here's my plan. I've used 20.7 bucket. Yep. And because that's real numbers, I'm not sure what '28 was gonna look like exactly yet. So on the left is my current plan. Yep. And that, you know, we have so we buy the chassis one year Yep. And upfit them the next. So we have 15 on order now for '26. So there's the 15 at the top. And then we have 26 chassis 27 chassis that we'll be for from this year, FY '26, next year in FY '27. Provide DMV vehicles, we're getting six for them. It takes care of their fleet every five years. They're buying plenty light duty pickups, three of the medium duties. Have one trailer that's needed and I'm gonna try to get one more loader this year. Sorry. It's the year '27. We'll have just a little bit left over at the end, eventually. Typically, what I do with this, because it's just a plan, Some of the 15 trucks that are going to be purchased are actually single axle dump trucks, which are a little bit less expensive. But I plan with the tandem axles, which are a little more expensive. I don't want to get caught at the end of the year trying to make everything exact, being sure I have something on order that I can't pay for. I use the more expensive units to create my spending plan. That gives me a little bit, you

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: know, maybe at the end

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: of the year, we need a couple equipment trailers or a few smaller things. Hopefully, the, you know, the plan is that there's a little bit less in case we need. So I try to over budget here with the idea that I'm not gonna actually overspend the equipment fund. You won't have to solicit for that. So the difference between the 15 and then the So '27, the 32 is And what are the two columns? So the column on the left is my actual spending plan for this year. Column on the right is to show you What do you need to get You to know, if we were able to buy the 32 trucks, dump trucks a year.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: You know? 32 is what you need to get to pay

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: a year. Thirty years. Okay. And, you know, 30 pickups a year. You're 5,300,000.0 short. Yes. I I this is kinda worth it. I put in a couple contractors for Boeing, the districts for the Boeing, things like that, four loaders. That's the goal. So I put the goal numbers in here to show that it would be short of a considerable amount. I try to manage within what we receive and buy a few more trucks and a few less pickups. I try not to get too far behind, but I do have to sort of move things around a little to make sure that it's not over spending, but still trying to get what the districts need and what we need to keep the fleet in reasonably good shape. So we're buying 15 valve truck chassis of what we should be buying today. There. I can't remember why. I was just got to go with Mike. He's not here today. Was hoping he would be able to come down and I could introduce him and consider a new superintendent. I think the 15 had to do more with 40 that we already have. By That's. You know, but this will be your 28. I'll be back to at least twenty five, I'm hoping. You know, back up to 25. We we didn't

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Oh, yeah.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: Really need the full 32 for '27 because we had the 40 that are waiting. That makes sense. What's the if you were in a nutshell gonna look at all of this and tell tell me where are we, what would you say to me? Where are we? We are And if I was trying to explain where you are in total Okay. It doesn't look to me like this is any budget I'd wanna cut. Well, it certainly would be appreciated if we didn't. But, you know, that said, I would manage it accordingly. But right now, we are sort of slipping toward ten years on the dump trucks. It does cost us a little bit more. And, of course, there's 40 that are waiting. Those 40 trucks are costing more because we're still running them and still fixing them. So we've slipped back on the trucks a little bit in the pickups some. The heavy equipment has slipped back also. So you go so would it be fair to say your goal is eight, but we're really on core like a ten year, closer to 10. Okay.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: In

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: part because of the increase of the buying the chassis and the outfit equipment and it's gone quite long.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: And it's going to go up 6% more? It'll be. In in the well, since '23. Yep. And

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: your it's like 6% we're kind of settling out is kind of what we should put we're looking at what increases each year?

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Yeah.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: No. So I'm trying to think what you told me. The last contract cycle that don't think we're in. Know? Or maybe it's this current contract cycle that increased the, excuse me, four and a half percent. K. The previous contract, they had asked for 2%.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: Okay. Yep. That's where you get the six. Yeah.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: When we go back out to bid after I think we have this one last contract extension because it's typically two years with a one year and then another one year extension. So by the time we go back out the bid, I don't know what it will be, but I'm sure it will be another four or 6% more. Yeah. And and this budget increases how much? The CG budget? Yeah. We fiscal year 2627, it looks 1.6%. 1.6. And and where did we board it out? Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? This was really helpful. Okay.

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: I have a question. Is this the fat wing mower, the one that has the the mower side? No.

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: They can cut up. One. Has two. Two. They fold up. By the way, definitely mower. Yeah. Andy wants wants a ride. And what is that language? Yeah. He wants he doesn't only want a ride. He wants a blanket. As I get close to retirement, I think about, you know, Yeah. Nice tractors and more We

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: might have an inside track for you. No. Gotta go, yeah, wait till it goes to auctions. Right. So

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: hopefully this is helpful. This was really Yeah. Was. Yeah. This is this really was exactly what we asked for. Thank you. I know when I do it, when I make these up, of course, it's, like, second nature to me, and I try to make sure that I make them so they're makes

[Sen. Andrew Perchlik (Member)]: sense and understandable.

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: Well

[Dave Thurber, Director, Central Garage Fleet (VTrans)]: so this was very helpful. Okay. Please let me know if you have any other questions. If we could go offline, it'll take five minutes

[Andrea Wright, Environmental Policy & Sustainability Manager (VTrans)]: and to