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[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Alright. We are live at Senate Institutions this Thursday, April 9, and it's about one after two. And today, we're gonna be talking about the Capitol Hill. First, now we have chair Alexander from the house corrections and institutions. And later on, we'll be hearing from Joe Major from the Department of Buildings and General Services. So, chair Evans, the floor is yours, but are you open to questions as we go along? Yeah. So we'll we'll just throw them out and encourage members to just throw them out. And you might have questions about a letter that I think you've received. So if you have anything on that, do. And I'll let you sort of direct how you want to do that. We have to imagine we'll be just looking at what's changes. Right.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Well, yeah, we've kept the spreadsheet which is really the basis to go out and then there's also some policy language change in the bill itself. It's the back of the bill which is in the life book, it's not in the spreadsheet.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: So so, you know, we have not gotten a copy of the language part yet. We we We did. We do have a draft that I think is the final language on our website, but I was gonna say, Lindsay, we have the actual because we've got the actual draft.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. Said pass the house. Maybe I said pass the house. H, What's the name? The number? 959. 952. 952.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: 952. Yeah. Think that He's a quite a copy of that. Yeah. But Yeah. If you if you can find it, you can print it out.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. Print it for

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: us. Yep.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So, for the record, my name is representative Alice Evans, and I'm from Springfield. Yay. Yay, Springfield. And I am chair of the House of Righteous. Well, becoming an institution. The capital bills, I've been putting together the capital bills here for a number of years and what is starting to happen? We've got a lot of moving pieces in the capital bill now that didn't use there. We have a two year budget, which is very different. We've had a two year budget for going on twelve years now, which is very health and anything in our projects and how we fund our projects and the timeframe for our projects. So what's starting to happen is our projects are getting larger. So there's more money involved. And the other piece that's also starting to play in here is the amount of general fund that's coming in and keeping track of these individual projects that have both bonded dollars and cash. And that is starting to really take time in putting together a budget and keeping track of what happened two years ago. That's not reflected in our current spreadsheets when we were working with FY '25, which is what we're familiar with. Mean, '26 and FY '27. Some of these projects go way back to FY '23 and FY '24. And so what I'm finding, I have to go back to previous capital bill allocations and appropriations to really figure out that the dollars are being requested for some of these projects. They already have money to put aside already. So we have to calculate what is the time frame for getting the project out to go work to make sure they have enough money. But we also know they've got money for previous half of those there as well. And that's playing in more and more of these projects. And that's why we're moving some money over them into that. So I just wanna lay the foundation for that because we're gonna get into that with some of the projects. So the way the spreadsheet is laid out of this, you may have already gone through this. Okay. The highlights in yellow is where we made the changes. Where you see just the beige, That's, of course, the governor's recommend in regard to the best month. This is just adjusting our two year budget that we've put forth last year. One of the first ones that I wanna look at is the three acre parcel. And we spent quite a bit of time on this, and I wanna go through why we made these changes on the three acre parcel. It was the substantial change. We basically the governor put in the governor didn't put in anything for the three acre parcel for budget adjustment, but we were also taking testimony on some of these larger projects. Dollar wise, even though the governor didn't put any money in for any changes to that, But there was a total of 2,600,000 in FY twenty six and twenty seven. And I and we knew that we've been putting money aside for three acre parcels. So we had some pretty extensive testimony on this. And I'm assuming you got these these documents.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: I don't

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: know if you did. It's

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: it's electronic. Yeah. You did on

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: paper. With paper. Yeah. It's meant to be a little too old fashioned. I do better with a piece of paper and a pencil.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: We did on the which which one are you looking at?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It is well, our date was January 27.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah. In which section? Is it all of the sections?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: The one I'm referring to is three acre parcel, statewide. Three acre. It doesn't have a section.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Not sure if we if we got that. We did get a section two on February.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It's section two, but it includes all the items in section two. So that's really the first change that we meant. So I'll let folks get settled here. If you can find that box of appropriations and what's been extended, you can find that. So in the testimony that you see, they have a list of projects there for tree inc or storm water compliance. And the thing to remember is you have to have a permit. So, BGS or the state goes out for a permit. It takes a while to get them for a permit. Once you have the permit, you have five years to complete the project from the time the permit was issued. So, in breaking this down, there is Central Services in Middlesex, the St. Albans Correctional Facility and the training council in Pittsford. The permits are now in place. They just got the permits in the '25. So, they have five years to complete that project. And the total cost for those three projects runs about 1,800,000.0 to 2,100,000.0. Those projects are ready to go. The Newport Newport Correctional Facility, there is the permit is there, but it's been put on it's sort of trying to figure out. The permit may be soon. They hope by the summer. Some of this is in design. They need to for the correctional facility, they're really working on moving the ponds, Strawhater ponds. But that is connected to the boiler project and that correctional facility. So we have money further down corrections that deals with the Newport facility to replace the boiler. It's a chunk wood to go to wood chips. The issue is they have to figure out where they're gonna move the stormwater ponds that will then impact the road where the delivery trucks for the wood chips come in and where they might place the building for the new boiler. So it's a chicken and egg situation right now. And it just, you know, they gotta move in one that then impacts the move in the other. So that one is that's in conjunction with the boiler replacement. So they're hoping that they might have the permit for this by this coming summer. Okay?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And the permit for this?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: That's the Newport Correctional Facility.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: For the boiler or for the three acre?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Three acre. Three acre. And so in the storm water ponds Yeah. Are

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It's all in Detroit. So they're just not sure. The Waterbury Complex, the permit is in the works. The, they have the permit, but it's on hold. It's due to a sidewalk issue, and it deals with the city wanting us to take the maintenance of this, and it was all intertwined when we were trying to place the juvenile justice involved juvenile facility there. It kind of all got involved in that negotiation. So, right now that is sort of on hold, project. The capital complex and Department of Labor, that's on hold because it's involved with the discussions with FEMA in terms of what we do with the Capitol Complex after the flood in '23. Is that when it was? Was it '23, Russ? Yeah, was '23. '23. '3. Last month. '23.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Well, Convoy doesn't it?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So it was in '23. Yeah, so we can't really move ahead. Right. Because we have to work with FEMA to determine what we're doing with the Convoy. So, right now, we know we're gonna be expending on the high end of 2,100,000.0 in the next year for Middlesex St. Albans Correctional Facility in Pittsburgh. So if you look at the box, there was ARPA money for this, 600,000. There was bonded money in FY24 of 1.5, Bonded money in FY25 of 1.5. And then bonded money of 1.5 in FY26. And then another bonded money of 1,100,000.0 in FY26. So 6,200,000.0 has already been put aside. They've only expended about three ninety passive to date. That's why we decided to decrease that by 1,500,000.0 so that they still would have 4,300,000.0. That covers the three projects they're ready to go with and it leaves you 2,200,000.0 if any of these other projects get permitted but they still have to do design documents for those. So that was the rationale for that. And that's why we did that. So I know that was a long explanation for that, but we made a major change there based on information that we had in our testimony. They're really working down. Mean, my committee really looks at when the projects are due to go out. Are you gonna spend that money in the fiscal year, beginning of the next fiscal year, and really make our money go as far as possible, but not delay projects.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And I know you just put it over there. Can you mention the date that took that testimony again? I can look it up if you don't mind.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It was January 27. But we had more respond testimony on that. We did markup. We had more, because what we also do, we do the preliminary, then when we start market, we really get into more of the leads. And we really ask the question, you got money in the bank, are you gonna spend all that in the next fiscal year or even a few months into the following fiscal year. We just wanna make sure our money's working and not sitting idle for that. Hope that makes sense. We kept let me just kinda look here. The other piece is the 120 State Street. Again, that that was in the same dark. And the 120 State Street, again, this is tied in to the FEMA discussion in terms of what's gonna happen with FEMA and depending what we do with the whole steam line renovation in 120. We could do it internally within the building or depending on what happens with negotiations with FEMA and the other buildings, what might happen is a separate building might be built to take care of the HVAC systems in some of these other buildings as well as 01/2020. So then you're dealing with a whole different design. So we don't know where we're moving ahead at this point. It's a large project. And there's also been money in the back of the bill in the reallocations that the governor reallocated from this project. And we hope that things are resolved by this summer, but we're just not sure. So that's why we cut that from half. Hear that? Because we're just not sure how all that's gonna play out. The state house reentry, the entry program reentry program. Corrections. It's the entry upgrades and design documents. This is a project that our sergeant of arms has been working with BGS in terms of reconfiguring the entry into the building for a more secure entry. It'd be a single point entry. And it is where it is now. That's the goal. And if you wanna see how the potential design would be, then you really should have the sergeant at arms in as well as BGS. What they're looking at is a single point. You have that there, Rob. Yeah.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It's a single point entry, but it would be done designed in such a way that the delivery trucks would not be coming in through the same door as the public. There'd be more separation there. They would try to have better truck access, delivery truck access, but the issue is we're gonna lose parking spaces. So, really wanna make sure that there's a plan there for parking and there's a plan there for truck acts, delivery truck access because we're also dealing with ADA availability in that single point of entry, which also means you need ADA parking near there. But we're gonna lose some spaces over on the west side of the building.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: There's not enough parking as it is.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: I know. That's why we want our best parking This is a project that's been going on for the discussions of this have really been going on since COVID. We have expended some dollars to this point for the state house for the design documents. And we have finished BGS has been working with sergeant RMS. They've finished the schematic design. This 3.1 1.3. I wanna get my numbers right. 1,300,000 would go towards final completion of design documents and possible beginning of any construction documents. But that would then have to come back to us next January for more review. This is going to be an 18 to $22,000,000 project. Mhmm. Just putting it right out on the table. It's not cheap. It's an ADA. It's for accessibility. ADA accessibility to our building, opening access for the public and better access for our building, security access,

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: as

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: well as really helping the flow of traffic with our delivery trucks. We have a lot of delivery trucks that come in and ADA access. Because that's the only entrance right now for ADA access and it's really hard to get in now.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah. Those of us in the senate acts, you'd have to take a meeting. So looking at

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: the $1,500,000 that we probably have expended on the adding a second story to the tap period because we had done that and we wanted to find out that we are not going to do that. And looking at the 18 to $24,000,000 on this, which is very highly unlikely that we're not going to do that, is it wise for us to be moving forward on $1,300,000 on this money if you we'll spend it, but I don't ever see this probably happen.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It'll be up to the legislatures and make that return the money.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: We go, then the budget. And all the night, but I I

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: if you could both take testimony on what the administration's feelings are about that.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: We did have BGS scan, and they did talk over what, where they were in the process. We know the government do not include this in the government's budget adjustment. And we have decided to put it in because it's important to the functioning of the state house. It's important for for the monitors to have access to government. And there was a real strong feeling about that. We had, and I'd recommend you can have DTS in, you can have the sergeant in Orange and and have a full discussion about it and see. It is a high price thing. There's no doubt about it. But the schematic design only gives you some real preliminary documents, real preliminary dollar wise to get into design documents that we find that a little bit. There was a contract with French Freeman. We also had French Freeman in as well because that's who we've contracted with. I really recommend having those three folks come in and talk this through. It's a big decision and a bigger decision will really be made next year because if we get into construction, that's when we need to come to that. And

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: the project price tag is 22.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: 18,000,000 of projecting, but it's

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: not a whole lot. Plan. Right? No. Only one. There was

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: It was past two

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Well, they've refined it now.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Okay.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: They've refined it now. They have refund out now. That's what the design documents will show.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And do we have a a length of time? Let's just say everything's we get all this done, length of time.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: It will be around two and a half to three years because they cannot do the work pretty much when we're in session, possibly. So they would have to work around us, and that's what increases the cost. They ask for the loss. So it'd be that maintenance and loss process, the two year process. That's where we stand. Okay. So then I'm gonna jump down to DOC. There's a big jump there if you see the HVAC system. We had a lot of questions on that because that is a big, big jump. But the goal is to put in HVAC system in our facilities. And what we are looking at is we were really trying to see if we could find, you know, look. It was an $8,000,000 increase to the bonded amount. $8,400,000 increase to the bonded amount at $5.27. Plus an additional 1,000,000 plus in cash. So you're dealing with almost $9,000,000 of our capital bill budget adjustment being taken up by this one line item. So we had our documents from BGS when we were doing lockup on the March 20. And the goal, what they're anticipating, they are close to a guaranteed maximum price right now for the Springfield facility. And what they're coming in with right now for the Springfield facility for HVAC is 7.99. The Northern State, which is Newport, is the next big facility. Springfield is about three fifty beds. Northern State Newport has about 400, I think around four twenty or four fifty beds. In Springfield, they're due to complete the construction project by the end of this calendar year. So, there won't be air conditioning throughout the whole facility this summer. There'll be some possibility of some in some of like the staff staff rooms, maybe the visiting area in specific locations. It'll be some this summer. That's the thinking. And then the whole facility will be completed by the end of this calendar year in Springfield. Newport, they're completing the design documents for the construction right now, but they're not close to that guaranteed maximum price, but they're still working on Newport. And they've got some design documents and the construction of those temporary spaces like your staff room, your kitchen, your staff, where your staff would have their break rooms or the visitation rooms. They have that going on in Northern as well as they do in Springfield. So with that Northern and the permanent construction, which are not anticipating completing that one until November. So they need money in this fiscal year to begin construction. They're anticipating a $7,800,000 cost to that one. And then the next one is the Saint John's Derry facility in the Caledonia Work Camp. And they have completed the design on that one, And they estimate to go to finish construction on that in March '28. So that's at my '28. That's a 3,500,000.0. So they have they have spent to date, they have 19,200,000.0, which includes this additional 9,000,000 that we're putting in. They have 19,200,000.0, and they've spent 2,300,000.0 the date. But the construction for Springfield is 07/1985, and the construction for Newport is 6.785. And then the San Jose and WorkCampus 2.8. So you can get this document here that shows the spread because we were really concerned and we thought, well, there's no way they're gonna get all these dollars out the door. But when you look at this, it they are tied up.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And next year, will they be coming back for probably more on that?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: They will probably On 99? Probably. It might be it might be more for the the Saint John's Bay in Caledonia. They don't have a guaranteed maximum price yet for Newport, and they don't for Saint Jay. So this is where my hunch goes. May not be true, but once they get that maximum price for the newborn, they come in higher than they anticipate, They'll just use the money from the Saint Jude Caledonia because that wants to do it afterwards. So we could carry that through. And then it then we'd have to backfill for that. So between Springfield and Newport, you got $14,100,000 right there, at least, if not more. It has not been spent yet. Springfield, they've already spent half 1,000,000 on some. Newport, they've already spent 1,000,000. And then at Saint Jude, it's almost 700,000. And that's in design, maybe temporary construction that they've done on some of those spaces where there are break rooms and visiting rooms. The what do we do here? Then we went down to door controls, and we were taking testimony on door controls for Saint Jay and Robin. And we have put money in for door controls at Saint James since f y twenty three. So since FY '23, again, is another document that we could see the sustained rate 30. They are hoping they're also wanna do any maintenance that needs to have any deferred maintenance. They always do that whenever they do door controls. They have with the 2.6 I wanna make sure I'm in the right spot there because there's well, their their money is out

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: of

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So with the 2,600,000.0 for Saint Jay in the bonded column for f five twenty seven, there's 2,600,000.0. That's on top of four point three, four point four million that's already appropriated prior to that one. So we have a total of 7,000,000 right now for door controls. FY23 had bonded, FY24 had bonded, FY25 had bonded, FY26 had bonded, and then FY27 bonded. They've only expanded about 290,000 at this point. So they're planning on completing Saint Jay. And then they want to do if there's any money left over from Saint Jay, then that will be applied as a design documents for could be added to that half million for. That's what they're projecting to do the next fiscal year. So the government put in 2,700,000.0 in cash for door controls. And taking further testimony on this, bulk of that money is not gonna be needed till FY 2829. And that's why we left 700,000 of the 2,700,000.0 to go towards whatever work needs to be done in Rutland because they're only gonna be doing design documents for Rutland possibly getting into construction documents and doing some construction towards the end of FY twenty seven, but I'm not sure yet.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: We heard in testimony the opposite of that. We heard that because of that money that's missing and they're going have to stop because they've already signed contracts and that they're ready to move forward. And so

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: We did not hear that about Robert. They're only

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Well, doctor talking about this one line item about the money that's missing, that they are ready to go, that they have signed contracts, and they're ready to go, and that without that, that they have contracts signed, that they're not going to be able to move forward because that will short them of the monies that they needed. For Windsor South. They didn't get that granular. This is

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: in the letter. It talks about Northeast Correctional Mhmm. Caledonia work. Yeah.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: That's the one that's gonna be completed. Yes. Yeah. Probably some way 6,000,000. They already have they had 6,700,000.0 prior to the 2.7. They had 6,700,000.0 for that. So We did not hear that there were any signed contracts for at all, that they're only beginning to sign documents for that. And so then if they need more money for Saint Jay's, they have that stuff in terms of past. They've asked. But we did not hear that they had any sign any contracts that were signed for or any of the other facilities.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: It sounds like it's for

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Northeast. Right. So they have 617 right now, and then and then they can use that 700,000 And so going on to the boiler replacement. This is one that's been going on for a number of years.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Alex has 2,024.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Oh, it's Wow. Most.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: The.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: FY '25, we put in 3,500,000.0 for this. They said that they're gonna need around 4,100,000.0 for the boiler, but they still don't know what they're doing because it's so contingent from those stormwater ponds. They need to do the ponds. So that's why they're not sure how much they're gonna move forward, and that's why we

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: cut the bones up. That.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: They said that after this 2,000,000, that they had in there that they were gonna be looking for another million after that and that this was a landless project for them moving forward. We

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: did not hear

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: what we heard. Okay.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Do you hear that from BGS?

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: We heard that from, yeah,

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: We did not hear that. The we kept the funding for the stabilization. You see it? Blue stabilization. Let's look at that. The WiFi installation at correctional facilities, we've been looking at that for a number of last year in particular. My committee and the House Energy Committee wrote a letter of support to the broadband board on this last year, encouraging the federal money targeted towards this. Corrections is not working with WiFi. They're really outdated. It's really creating a problem for their staff. It's creating problems for services being provided to folks who are under our custody that are housed in correctional facilities. The CCV is offering courses there in corrections, but they physically have to go into the facility. They cannot offer the courses electronically because the internet service cannot support them. We have done work through COVID mind in our correctional facilities to find the hotspots that would be in our facilities for WiFi. That's been done. Last year, DOC and ADS were working together trying to figure out how to go forward and they were working on it and supposedly they had a plan as of last year. Broadband board did not support money last year for this project.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Well, they didn't have the money, right? Because now we've just gotten another $257,000,000 that came from the federal government, and so they do have the money. They said they didn't have the money last year but now they do have the money and we as the legislature can direct them to use the federal dollars versus using our state dollars.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So in discussions with some members of my committee had with some of the members on the board of the broadband, there is no federal money coming in. And if there is federal money that comes in, they will be used for delivery to the buildings. They will not be used for WiFi criminal living was in the bill. That's what we heard. We also tried four times to have ADS come to the committee to discuss this with us and they did not. They're not getting into

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: the committee to discuss. The schedule or they just no.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: They just refused to come in. They did send memo to us such as he's not ready to go for a plan. So we've been working on this over a year to get this. DOC really needs

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: What's up, Joe? Whoops.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Really needs their update in terms of their electronic system. Okay. That's really important to do this. We felt quite strongly about this, so we did put in the 3,000,000 for that. We did wanna put some money in for the women's reentry. We don't wanna lose sight of this. We'll need to replace the facility. And we will have just So

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: we have 15,000,000 in there already, and anybody said they were willing to buy lands and all that.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: We have enough money in there to move forward already and then some?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: We don't this is a $100,000,000.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: No. This is a

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: $100,000,000 project, if not more. Mhmm. And and we're not gonna be able to absorb that within your budget cycle.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: That 1.25, that's essentially to Keep it going. But, I mean, that's that's enough. I I but to really It's nothing except to where you can

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: use it else in the in in this Yeah. In bill, which would be very important.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah. I I just if we're serious about it, on a lot of different levels, it's frustrated with the women's person, it's frustrating. The Wi Fi is frustrating. The the way I've tried to be a chair is just keep on your agenda. Do you have more time past 03:00 to keep going? Yep. And Joe, are you okay with not starting at 03:00. Sure. Think we'll just keep going. I do try to keep on the agenda. Just remember That's war. I was able to do it with the war this summer.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: That's how

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Thank you both for that.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. That's how I was gonna switch a section. We've been doing so much moving around, but that's how I'm. So in testimony that we received from them when we were doing markup, we I'm make sure

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: I got

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: the right line here. They're doing some design documents for the renovation of A Wing. And they still are in the the rows of all of that, and they're also looking at the laundry facility at 340 in Line 58, but they're gonna move maybe the laundry facility to a portion of In Wing that was going to be the dining hall and the theater. So in that space, they're gonna look at putting in the laundry facility. So then that kind of changes your whole design documents and everything for in terms of where they're gonna put the. So they weren't sure they were even gonna spend that full 1,500,000 that they had from FY '26. And then testimony, and this is North America. They had, the VA came in and I don't think it was the health department. The VA came in for annual review of the building, and it came to life as had to be replaced. And that only happened within the last six weeks to a month. And that's gonna run about half a minute to do that. So what we did, we said and we've got language in the back of the bill that half 1,000,000 of that 1.5 could go to us. I mean, they can move money between the design for renovating a room and the sprinkler system because we really had to take care of that sprinkler system. So, that's what we did there. And then, we got into the sewer overhaul, sewer system overhaul. And the governor put in half 1,000,000 of cash in this. So and while we were taking testimony on this, we in the past had put in money for elevators. It was about $1,000,000 and it was bonded dollars. The elevator isn't gonna come in. It's coming in at 400,000. So we had some money in bonded that we could put towards the solar system. Because the solar system's gonna be 750,000, not 500,000. So we moved some money around between the cash and the bonded of the elevator upgrade and what was proposed in cash. And we moved all of that over the bondage for 1.25 to do both the sewer system and the elevator upgrade to make sure and they can move money around. We did it and we combined it so they can move money in that $1.01 $2.05 between those two projects.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And is part of that the reallocation?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: No. Well, did we do the reality? Yeah. That's how that's how we do the reallocations.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: From the elevator upgrade. Yeah. Mister chair, if I'm 90 It's required reallocation. It's not a required statute. So I'm more joint fiscal online January. You'll see that.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: That debt ID there, the Algebra upgrade, that will get half $1,000,000. That was then reallocated. Little bit of that was.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: January. Away from 01/7173.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: That's how you kinda have to do it. They knew our thinking.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah. And

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: they did the work. But we wanted to make sure that the vets almost made whole. That's what we've been doing. It's all about them to make money between some of those projects. As I said, the elevator, they had a million dollars for previous two year budget. They put in a million dollars for that. They just got the bid and the contract's 400,000. So there's 600,000 left. And so you keep half million for the elevator in case this cost increase, and we'll reallocate that over month, no.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: I don't think anybody's gonna give you

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: an argument of what you know there. Commissioner Manelli is concerned about one thing in terms of moving the money between projects. That part of it, some of it's Mhmm. Get reimbursed by the federally. Some of it can't. You know? So some of it's just BGS money. Within the bed's home? Yeah. Joe might be able to answer it.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. That one's a tough one. Yeah. In terms of what they get reimbursed, sometimes they're not even yet on the list for some things. Yeah. I'm sure if you can aid me on the list yet on the federal level.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: For the record, Joe Major, director for design and construction, BGS, for both A Wing and the sewer that are not on the list yet. They are striving to get on the list for both. I don't recall the match for a wing. I think the sewer is 60%.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: But the sewer really needs to get done, and it's under b and c one. Okay. A, b, and c. Yeah. The sewer really needs to get done.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Think they were in about that. I'm sure it was just.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: That's that's it for Monday. We didn't make any other changes. Did we? Oh, wait a minute.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: We did

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: a new report.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: They

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: were fine with that. I think that they started to enough money yesterday with Newport. So if we continue

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. Newport is we gotta get that done. We got our money. That Newport and Barry, go see it too where we gotta figure out what we're doing and where we're going.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And I think we have

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: a path forward on Newport that we we're

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: And we already have one in the bank for that too.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: The worst kept secret of what's probably gonna go on there, but we tell us about it anymore.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So The other thing too, and I hope you I think you chaired this conversation too. The half million that the government put in at the Essex County Courthouse, that's for their water supply.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Right. So they have one water. Yeah. Yeah.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. We we really wanna hold that one or we don't touch it and send a letter of intent to the court to indicate you can continue construction.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: We appreciate that.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: With that. I spoke with council member, John Benson, A little busy right now with the Advil and the Boise Means, so I haven't seen them all week. But as soon as that gets done,

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: we'll do that.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So, anyway, that's where we are. The allocations got changed a little bit, but not too much. Then I can check over to. Well, I hope you have the bill.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: If it is on our Joe has a paper copy. Yeah. I agree with that. So the

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: language really starts think about The language really starts section ten and eleven. This language came as a recommendation from the Department of Environmental Conservation for our drinking water revolving loan fund to provide drinking water infrastructure services. It's eligible mobile home park water systems means a privately owned nonprofit community type system that serves the majority of users who reside in a nonprofit or resident called mobile home park registered pursuant to 10 VSA six thousand two fifty four. There's a housing bill that's going through with the manufactured home community, Manufactured home community. Think that's the term of it. And this is what this is targeted to, to really help them provide drinking water infrastructure systems to those type of housing situations and to allow that from our drinking water revolving loan fund. That's basically what ten eleven does. And it allows them to expand and basically just expands the eligibility of this program to those type of manufacturing home communities. And it looks at, you know, an interest rate that there'd be a minimum interest rate for that. That's what ten and eleven does.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Short hand.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Section 12 came as a request from the Division of Historic Preservation to help him go out and ask for solicit grants to do fundraising, basically, to offer a cost for specific projects, storage sites on some specific site. It allows them now to accept grants and gifts and donations and loans, but this is for them to actually go out and fundraise. Or it could be for the capital Coolidge, could be for the Constitution House, be for the Bennington Monument, it could be for Mount Independence or whatever state on a historic site, they could target sites for fundraising. 13 came from Department of Forest and Parks. If you recall, we usually do a land resolution for possible land swaps that possibly happen. And this one's kind of out of that realm where we really need to do it through such and law is to allow force and parks, Department of Forest and Parks to enter into a lease up in Vermont huts in a Little River State Park. There's a building there that the Vermont Huts Association would like to use that structure. Forest and Parks is very supportive of this. So on page 18, I don't which version you've had, but it's section 13. We authorize them to enter into a lease, for some parks with Vermont cuts to use this structure. And the term of the lease is twenty years on an option to renew. It's for a fee that is used to compensate the state. There needs to be conditions on the use of the structure. The Montecaps needs secure insurance. There needs to be a provision for the termination of the lease, requirements for the operation and maintenance of the structure. And how I make conflict between the parties will be resolved. And it lays out how the contract should be executed. So we worked with Michael Brady and lunch counsel. We worked with the legal folks in Forest and Parks, and went from on

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: this. I was gonna ask if the language came.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: We worked with all the parties. Commission chair, if

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: I can just for a second.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: This police did send the bill to his means because potentially there could be some income. I did speak with the commissioner of Forest Parks and Recons who said at this point in time they don't have anything. So there is no real way to estimate what this might be. That might be something to think about because this bill might have to go to finance because of that. Even though there's nothing to report in terms of what revenue might be, but just as a step of the way from the bill.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: So then, section 14. This deals with the Springfield Correctional Facility. Did not come from me.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: I'll be

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: real clear about that. We did language in Spokaneville two years ago where the town and BTS entered into an agreement that the town could move the town garage up there. When that facility was negotiated and built in the late 90s, there was an agreement between the state and the town that there'd be property that the state purchased that after the facility was built and we knew what the buffer was needed for corrections. That the remaining land that was buildable could be transferred to the town of Springfield for economic development. That's what was agreed to back about nineteen ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine. We've been trying to town has been trying to do this with BGS over a number of years. The issue has been who has ownership who would take over ownership and maintenance of the road that goes up to the facility. And there's also water sewer lines up there. A couple years ago, there was an agreement made in terms of there'd be 10 acres up there that would be transferred to the town of Springfield for the town of Springfield to use that for their town highway garage. We put language in a capital bill to do that because I needed the authority to do it, to be very clear. In the interim, the town has kind of shifted where they want to go. And they now want to put this back for economic development and not have the town garage move there. So, I'm working with BGS. The town has been working with BGS. And BGS has carved out about 22 acres that could be transferred to the town of Springfield for economic development. So the language in section 14 would allow that transfer of approximately 22.9 acres to be used for municipal purposes including economic developments and industrial park. And it allows the commissioner to transfer the property only if the state obtains any state local zoning or subdivision approval. And the state and town need to negotiate updates to the 1999 agreement to establish responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of the road and a lot of sewer lines for the facility. And

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: So I'm so if the town takes basically takes over the keep of the infrastructure

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: The road.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And water is sewer. And water is sewer. They're just good now. And then they have to buy the yep. Yep. The bottom land

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: No. The land is washed, but they would the town would be responsible for maintaining that Okay. Road. That road would go Assaulted cloud.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Which, I mean, isn't

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Well, that wasn't an issue at the time of the largest one up because the trucks were already opening. So this is something that needs to still be negotiated.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Is what they're asking not what to put housing or commercial?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: No. It's more of commercial, economic, to godless. It would be an industrial park. Industrial park.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Do they have do they have an idea?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: I think they do. Okay. Why they wanna do it? So it's gives a deadline of March 2030 for the town to develop, begin, you know, they haven't begun developing a transfer for the property for the purposes of economic development. They have until March 2030. And then the town needs to consult with VGS to examine alternative uses for the property. So, and then the next section, 15 repeals what we did in the previous capital bill in 2024 that would have allowed that transfer to the town for the town for Orange. That gets repealed. And then it also says if this transfer that we are allowing in section 15 does not occur by 07/01/2030, then this authority goes away. That's what 15 does. And the town has agreed to this language of BTS to this language. So the next thing is section 16. This is language that has come from our House Human Services Committee that was put in the big bill, the appropriations bill. There's really a lot of concern on the House Human Services Committee as well as House Appropriations Committee. There's about forty, forty four beds in the system to house to house justice involved juveniles. Of those 44 beds, 16 of those beds are for this facility that the state would be, I don't wanna say home, it was what we were trying to build them for chance, for justice involved juveniles to replace Woodside. Human Services Committee has been trying to get from DCF what the budget would be to provide services that they contract to a private entity to provide services to those youth. So in Middlesex, right now we have three beds or four beds.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Was four. Remember that's four. That's trailers. Mhmm.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: And they're paying about 2,000 per bed per day for services to the youth. There's also a couple of beds that have opened up in Windham County that DCF has just contracted for a company, a different entity to provide services. That's a 4,000 bed.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: These are for profit companies.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. So they're trying to get what is it gonna cost for a 16 bed facility as well as these other beds out in their system in the community. So, they want to put a hold on any future development until they can get this information from DCF. So, the language was put in the House of Appropriation, the big bill. This exact language was put in the big bill dealing with DCF's budget. And it was asked to be put our bill because we have money in our bill to continue the work with a design build for the new 16 bed facility. So, this is in the appropriations bill that's over in the Senate approves and it is in our bill as well so we can be at the table in this discussion. It is really important that we are at the table. We didn't put this language in our capital bill, we would not be at the table, which then hurts speech, yes. So that's why this line is just good. And then the last section is section 17, which deals with the WiFi installation, which deals with the Commission of Corrections and the Chief Information Officer of ADS to report monthly to the General Assembly after we adjourn. While the general assemblies adjourn, I'm sorry, to report monthly to the Joint Justice Oversight Committee. And also in consultation with the two chairs here on the installation of the Wi Fi correctional facilities. And that is the end of the bill. Hope this helps.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Thank you,

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: What we did, where we are. Over fifteen hundred years past.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: It's been like I stopped. But

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: as I said, what's starting to happen is you have to go back to previous bills. And that's that's really new that I've experienced. We have to do that last year, but in this year, it's even more more so. And it's getting harder to track the flow of the dollars between the bond and and cash because some projects have both. Yeah. Is

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: it in part is in the past, it had been spent right away? And so there's gonna be some some fund balance or or is it just that the

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: parts of which

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: you bought or near?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: I think it's a part of I think it's a lot of factors. Like, you look at the three acre parcel in Newport for the storm pond and you look at the boiler, it's a chicken and egg situation. Wants to depend on the other, and you just don't know how you're gonna move forward. The Newport Courthouse, you gotta get some land. The Barrie Courthouse is kind of the same thing. You gotta it's right in downtown. It's landlocked. The projects are getting bigger. I think also there's been a real transition in BGS. We've lost a lot of institutional knowledge and that real turnover of folks who have retired and bringing new people.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: I

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: mean, we're we're experiencing this in the agency of transportation. I mean, a lot of retired folks, you know, the folks coming in don't have

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah. That background of experience. I think too, it's just, you know, just a lot of moving pieces now in terms of construction. A lot more moving pieces involved as the projects are bigger. And I think also with Essex, you got cash and you got bonded, and I think BGS is making a transition there that, yeah, we gotta get the cash out the door first over the bonded and some of that kind of falls through the cracks because that cash is identified differently in finance and management than what BTS is used to looking at. So they may not be aware that there's cash for a project. And that's why it's really important that cash gets appropriated in appropriations. We don't appropriate, we allocate that. And if we listed all of these projects that were funded by cash in the appropriations bill, we'd lose track of that in the capital bill. So everybody thinks, the projects being done by BGS, we'll go to the capital bill and not pay the full funeral appropriations bill for cash. So that's why we carry in the capital bill, those projects and the allocation of cash for that. And it's but it's harder for BGS to track that because they go by department ID code and they're just not used to looking at cash, the general fund, and it's a different code. And Joe, you can correct me, but that's what was said in our committee, right?

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Yes, of course.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yeah. Very well, thank you, Allison. Any other questions?

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Now Joe's gonna undo everything I said.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Not everything. Just the person targeting.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Just where you got your marching orders, right?

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Just don't have to hello. Thank

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: you, Thank you, Chair Evans.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Very great presentation. Thank you.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Thank you. Good luck.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Folks, are we ready to just go right in? Yeah.

[Rep. Alice Emmons (Chair, House Corrections & Institutions)]: Yeah.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Okay. You're up, Joe.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Yes. Yeah. Do you a Do have a slides?

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: I do. Unless it was one that happened overnight. This is.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Joe, I don't exactly know what you plan to talk about. Headlines is capital bill, so take it away. We'll we'll let you back. Thanks for your Sarah Banks.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Talking about any of the items in cash. Okay. Yep. Nearly down that whole list, you know, the section. Tomorrow, will be in here in for section three corrections. So we're be doctors. Bear with

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: me for my tutor, but that's very.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Mr. Chair, I might remind the committee that when you're looking at the spreadsheet, the columns are there next to the projects. If you look at the language, it is all in one separate section, so sometimes it's hard to follow. I just want to make sure you're looking at the upper language. If we're looking at the bill itself, it's all in one section. One group. Yeah, I think. That's right. The nineteenth spreadsheet is. We're using. Can I open up for you, Jeffrey? Yes. K.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Open space. That's good. For the record, Joe Major, director of design and construction with buildings and general services. First slide, section two, we're looking at major maintenance on the land. Here is retrieving the house and here for approval. The bond fund did change and it increased. But cash remained the same at 1,281,000.000. Could procurements like that. The cash originally made it. And what I put in for you here also is change a little graph a little bit. I added the total unexpected funds, time expended funds. So right now, we have 1,400,000.0 remaining. I think when I was in here early testifying on the bid when it came out, was that we were running out of money, and we still are, and we're just slowly rolling this out to make it through to July. We have put some projects on hold until the new funds become available because we do not want to use this up. Just recently, we lost a coil, heating coil at the in the Vermont Agriculture Environmental Lab in Randolph. So it's emergencies like that that pop up that we need that we are changing out here and there. So that's what that money is for. Certainly, we'll be more aggressive as we get closer to July 1 over these these funds and getting the project going. On the next slide that I've shown here is our major maintenance spending profiles versus the proportions. On the graph on the left, what you see is the cost of our deferred maintenance. In our deferred maintenance, it's coming in through work orders and district facility managers, our operations staff, and then the staff in the building themselves, some lighting place. So that goes on the list, and it gets triaged basically every six months. This last round, you know, we put a pause on it because we were running out of money so quickly. The reason we're running out of money, though, is because we were actually spending it. I had a bubble of not being able to spend a lot of these response due to, first, it was COVID, and the whole turnaround that we had during that process of how to work and get things done, then of course the flood. So when you look at the graph on the right, you see that the orange coloring at the top of graphs are prior appropriations that we were spending. So we're actually pushing quite a bit of money out the door with using old funds. We reduced that down to the average roughly, you know, just under $800,000 left of old appropriations that we have, and then and that's part of that 1,400,000.0. And then we're going to be out of money. This is how it has been in the past, before Irene, and almost got there again before our last flood and and COVID. That basically what we look to do is as the monkeys coming in, we plan our progress accordingly to get them out the door. So, you know, like right now, what we like to do is have a design in place for spring work, outdoor work versus indoor work. Doesn't always work that way, but that's what we win for. And this here certainly shows that we are spending those monies as quickly as possible. And so the other funds that were being contributed moved by the house, and the the the readership was built, is appreciated. Next up, we're coming to stormwater compliance. This has been a little bit slow moving in getting our permits in place, but not the door. We now have permits in hand except for three locations. Today, we actually had a pre bid at the Middlesex facility to start that process. And the rest of the projects, Northwest State, Pittsburgh, and the Northwood job courts in Virginia, they all have permits waiting to go. The new court manager was stating about the with the heat plant and the storm water up there is the way you come into that site, you have a as you come up the the access road, coming off of Glen Road into the facility, there are two storm water ponds that were generated over a number of years ago.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Where we were looking for

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: the heat plant, which is just right beside the existing truck draft, the occurring radius of an 18 wheeler just cuts into that stormwater pond. So we had to adjust the stormwater ponds anyway with the stormwater project. So I was like, okay, now's the opportunity to do that. Although we have got reallocated, $1,500,000. So what can happen now is we're looking to start our get a permit this summer and start in fall of this year to relocate those storm water ponds and be ready to go and start construction on the heat plant next spring. The way that that would work is we have a construction manager on board so that we can pre purchase the steel building and the boiler just about four or five months out from the time that you have an approved shop drawing in hand and actually place that order. And that's certainly what's something we're going to start, but both with the, reallocated funds in the stormwater project and in the heat plant project, which probably going to be delayed up to as much as six months. It all depends how our permit comes in for a stormwater pond, our permits for the heat plant, then what we can start moving forward and then plan for the additional funds for the heat plant and stormwater arriving in FY twenty eight. So yes, it is a chicken and eggs thing. However, keeping that metaphor, cracks the So that's part of the problem. In Regens, we were ready to go. Actually, last fall, The issue down there with Virginia's was that as the zoning administrator was looking at it is that although we own the site, we do not operate the job court and the feds do. And as such, the statute of forty four thirteen does not come into play with what they can eliminate the ghosting zoning. And there's a sidewalk hurling the Monroe going through there, and they were saying, well you should incorporate fixing that sidewalk as part of it. So at that point in time we delayed it while we were looking at getting these others out the door. We will be coming back to that one. The Capital Complex, which is included with the Department of Labor design wise, comes into play also with what we're doing here with flood mitigation. So we have not continued going forward with those with Department of Labor and Calvacon Complex yet until we find out what we're doing, with restoring whatever we do here with the flood situation. Once we know that, we can go forward with it. It could be part of that project, but our time limit is five years. So we are pushed into getting that done. One point state strings, this year was 2,500,000 in cash, and where that came from was being reallocated. It was old money. We can go to I think it was the cash fund in the last page of the spreadsheet. Didn't have a section number on it, but probably would've been, what, section 19. And that was just old funds having to be come forward. So these have been reallocated forward. That house did, take out $1,000,000 for 120 Station. So the way 120 is working is it was highly impacted by the flood. There are some things that the flood will take care of, but what really has to happen is with this renovation is the electrical, some of the mechanical, is down in the basement. All that has to be relocated someplace else. There's also steam lines that run up to the outside wall, turn, come through the concrete slab, and then return back to the wall. And we have known that some of those have failed. We're trying to get rid of the steam in there. All the way we have handles so we don't have window units sticking out on Floors 3, 4 And 5. And then there's also some mini splits and other systems throughout down in, the motor vehicle sections that have been installed over the years. So the way this will coincide with a flood is about moving people around. If we have to vacate Park 3133 Or 109 State Street or the likes of that to do some of the work that we have to do, I don't want, we don't want to be working on this building right away. So when we did offer up that 525,000 in '23, to be given up to the bottom line, that would, the thought was in play that we're going to need it in

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: the future, but it's about

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: a coordination. We didn't need it right away. But we are having to get that on the street to start the design process to coincide with the flood, with

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: the Fremont money and the

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: life that gets Fremont's not paying for any of this renovation. But we do need to see what's set accordingly so that we're not overlapping and causing heartburn on either side.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: So before you move on,

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: the loss of the million dollars is that In this case, it probably is not going to hurt us right away. The bottom line is it's a $23,000,000 plus renovation. And so when we're looking at the next biennium, and maybe the biennium first half of next biennium. And So you're you're okay. Yes. Yes. Roof repair. This one here is cash, all cash, 3,600,000.0 to complete that project. It did start out, some of the funds that you see here were all for part of the sewer. It was a sewer and roof project. The sewer work is all done. We've expended all those funds, and now we're looking to get the roof and skylight replaced and repaired. We just spent, late last month, about $200,000 for a temporary roofline because the leaks were so severe. We have a long lead item, the skylight. I'm not sure yet when that's gonna be ready to bid. We are working with our construction manager on this to start bidding that bidding process and get that in place. So the design is complete and ready to go. Multi level garage renovation. This project here is also under,

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: the

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: hands of a construction manager. It's in construction. Although it does state that there's a $120,000 of dollars that have not been expended yet. It hasn't been expended yet because I have not signed the or got approval to sign the Interrupt. Change order for construction manager to start order. That's the next stage. We knew that 900,000 is in fact when the prices came in. It was just the start of the war and things were skyrocketing, and we'd shaved $500,000 off to cut anything on budget. Okay. Hopefully, if things will turn around, then we might be able to get additional work done. But right now, we're good, and that probably will be starting soon. Another parking garage over in Burlington at 33 Shirley Street. We have $3,000,000 in cash going to that project. They are actively working on that one right now. And as the cash flow comes in, will actually just appropriate that so that the contractor can can continue to work. There's no additional work going on. This just keeps the flow going.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: What was that specific? You don't do anything.

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: Moving into section 13 for permanent public safety. The use of our hazmat building, a one of other special teams. So it is a urban search and rescue, hazardous materials, the running division, and fire safety in the original office of someone being combined into one or two locations. We have a study starting to look at the the old Williston facility because she kinda Williston did not elect the option to purchase that to pick that option. So we're evaluating it now to look at it. Can it be used for one, two, or three for these entities? Also, what would the cost be to put the marine division back on the new site? We have the building completed through schematic design, and what would their cost be to take that into account to ask for additional funds? And and where does the office of fire safety fit?

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Do they in the old building or do

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: they say the space that they're in? So that study's underway. This continues that. We'll be able to hit the ground running once we have a direction. It certainly will not, cover the cost of construction of any one of these, but it will continue with the design of its slots above one or two of the options. Next up in section 14, judiciary, and this is the Newport Courthouse Replacement Project. I'm sure touched on. There's, I think as everybody has heard, that from Senator Ingalls and others that they were certain so he is working actively behind the scenes trying to get something going. We are also actively involved. We lost 750,000 out of this. That leaves us 1,700,000.0. But if we were to be purchasing property and then starting the design, depends on what the cost of that property is, and potentially cut it in courts. And that is a that we could purchase a property, but then how much of that design we could get in before the next buy in. The madam chair said that

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: there is some money banked on that. I thought that we returned all of that money's back. I know there I know that for a long time, 700 I think $1,200,000 was out there or whatever. Or I've indicated here the funds that are still out there. So there's one

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: for 2,000,000. I apologize. That's okay. Yeah. So, I mean, there there are funds there. I just don't know, you know, the cost of land. Right. And how this whole thing's going to work out to bring a design team on board. It is a usually fundraising 20 plus for a building or a major renovation at the New Norm. When I started, it was five. So I mean, that's

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: what we're looking for. The new people on this committee when you are looking for design plans and all that, it's usually 10% of the project. But you probably want

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: They have Once you get into that 20,000,000 plus, it may drop down to eight. Depends on your design team and, you know, the availability of the the market. But for easy math, we always look at 10%. You ever

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: I'm just not interrupt. Yep. You made me thinking of last year when we reallocated a million dollars. Yep. And then for for us to.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Yeah. I should've looked up there, and I apologize. I'm trying to go from memory. That's dangerous. I don't have my memory. Yeah. No. That's fine. I had to look this up this morning to make sure. So

[Joseph "Joe" Major (Director of Design & Construction, BGS)]: and and this is judiciary's number one priority even though the Berry Berry's in there also. I just produced a report that we evaluated for very good commissioner. Should stay in the building and three entities in their building right now? Should we renovate for all three? Two, one, demo and build over. That's sort of over the years, there's been some studies compiling that together for her review and that sort of second on the list. Now for you not buying property, the other one that we have in the bank certainly works. We did have a design fifteen years ago that sort of, squared off the front of that building because Barry, I don't have a photo of Barry here, inside an angle. Because back in the mid eighties, they thought it was a great idea. There was open office. Nobody sat on the outside walls. You open the windows at night, the cool air comes in, cools the place down, and breeze runs right through. Everybody built offices on the outside walls, and that blocks that airflow. And you know, every room office now has window units in there. And the life cycle of a lot of the, you know, the windows that are on the building and the likes of that have certainly exceeded their lifespan and would do an overhaul. So those are all the things that all come together. It's probably in the same ballpark. One of the problems with judiciary is housing and doing housing the courts, operation of the courts, and doing construction. It is very difficult. It didn't get shifted, like in Burlington working on the parking garage. They would come in if they're gonna be real noisy, cutting concrete, like, so that, you know, look at the holidays, come in earlier. Because court doesn't start at seven, 8AM. So they played that game, major renovation, like in Berry. We'd have to get maybe night work, which increased the cost. And right now it's even hard to fund contractors, let alone to do night work. But that's one of those things we have to take into account. I didn't have anything else on the list.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: Well, I'm wondering if we want you to give us a little bit more explanation on this. I think, senator, go ahead and tap that and see what we get. Good. Well, I I would like to say, for the record, I think commissioner Nolan or from agency administration be fast to speak about that. Drunk my drinks tonight. We're gonna Yeah. Festival. So we'll leave it to Chair Harrison to meet before he died. He's well, we'll talk about that scheduling sometime. So any other questions for you? Thank you again. Appreciate that.

[Sen. Russ Ingalls (Member)]: Thank you for talking a little bit later. Sure. Yes.

[Sen. Wendy Harrison (Chair)]: And we can adjourn. Let's see.