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[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: How are

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: you? We are live.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Okay, we're live. I'll be on just a little bit to show Okay, you're getting us. Thank you. So we're back February 3 after the break, Seminole Education Committee, and we're going to shift gears once again and listen to Governor's Institute here in the State House today. So we're going go and settle some of you while you're doing it.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Thank you.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So not sure what are you how you're doing this.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Yeah. I'll I'll start it. That's okay. Got M and Ms? I do keep that too often.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So we introduce ourselves for them. Not in the military. You did what not really else does.

[Melanie Arsenault Santano — GIV Board Member and Alum]: Yes. Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale, Chittenden County.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: Thank you, Shneur.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: David Weeks, Rutland County. Senator Bongartz, Senator Bennington, Senator. I always say Senate District because I have a few doubts outside of Bennington County. So, I think Senate District. Terry Williams, New Orleans District.

[Sen. Steven Heffernan — Member]: Steve Heffernan, Addison County District.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Hello, everyone. Thank you for having us. My name is Elizabeth Rescoia and I'm the Executive Director of Governors and Statutes of Vermont and also in Vermont. And I know we have twenty minutes, so I'm gonna You're okay, actually. Yeah.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: We've got two. Okay.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Great. So, I have a couple of folks with me today, all of whom are also alumni, some quite recently, some a little bit more distantly, and we wanted to share our perspectives on the institutes. I know we've been in this committee before. You all know, I think, generally what we do. I'll give you a quick nutshell recap, and I'll hand it over to the students. That's all I do. So thank you again for having us. So the Governors Institutes of Vermont, our mission is to inspire our young teenagers to do something meaningful with their lives, to do something that matters. They have interests and wanna capitalize on those interests and offer them pathways, both educational and career, to exploit the things that they love. If they're interested in math, we wanna show them all the way that they can apply that. If they're interested in engineering or the arts or technology, we have a lot of different options. I know some of you have participated in our global issues as we've actioned these days. Thank you for that. Thank you for supporting our young people materially and sharing your advice and expertise about the legislative process. It makes a lot to them. Are a nonprofit. Talk a little

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: bit about how that actually happens. Sure, which is it? So, summer, Jefferson?

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Yeah, so we run summer programs. Our focus is on the summer. Our programs are one to two weeks long. They take place on college campuses around the state. Right now, our partners are UVM, Champlain College, Vermont State University, both Linden and Castleton, and Norwich University. We wanna bring students to a college campus so that they can really envision themselves in their future, and to start understanding what that will feel like and look like to have roommates, to eat in the dining hall, to decide how you're gonna spend your time and make choices in your educational path. There are a lot of hands on parts to that. There's some that's sort of classroom based and a lot is hands on actually, and a lot of people come in and volunteer their time or repay them, depending on the situation, to share their knowledge and their expertise, and people come in very passionately to share the things that they wanna pass on to young folks, whether that be their solar energy business and all it takes to kind of go into thinking about alternative energy on that one. People really want to share their knowledge and ensure that young people have meaningful, like an understanding of the next steps and how they get to where

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: they want to go.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: They want to invest in future. Does that answer your question? Yeah.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Yeah, just

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: wanted to. So we're a nonprofit organization. We were founded in conjunction with Governor Snelling in the early '80s and the Agency of Education, and the Arts Council. We started on the arts topic specifically, and we've grown to include many other topics. I did send you all a little souvenir your committee details. There's a few pieces of data there that I wanted to highlight. We serve about 700 high school students per year and almost 90% needed financial assistance to be part of it. So, there is a tuition, and that's based on their family's income. And 55% are low income students. And that has jumped, a couple years ago, was like a third of students were low income. And we are better reaching low income students, and people also have more meaning. So we are seeing that jump to 55% low income sustain over the last two years, we expect it to sustain for How will you make sure you're partner? Well, wonderful person, It's jumping around the state at one or two high schools every day right now. Every high school we're trying to get to and make sure that students and teachers, community members know about the opportunity. VSAC is also a partner in this. Their GEAR Up and their Talent Search outreach counselors always mention JV, they put us in events. And Just one other thing I wanted to highlight is that we spend quite a lot of money on ribbon board at colleges. So our biggest expenses are people, and that's crucial because we wanna use those people to inspire the young folks, and then ribbon board. Having So a residential experience is crucial to the design of institutes because it's not like, you go home or whatever, it's very much about creating the access. If someone needs help with transportation, we're not gonna transport them back every day, but if we can get them to the institute, they can be there for one to two weeks, and then we help get them home. So, it's an equity issue to have people being in residence and to really experience that and it deepens the community aspect of really forming bonds between students and between students and administrators. So, just wanted to highlight that currently our appropriation is 3 and $84,000 a little bit more, so $3.85. We are level funding the Governor's FY27 budget, which is great because I know that's not the case for everyone this year, but we are also, it's costing us more to do it, and that money is going back to students for financial aid and it's going back to Vermont Colleges. So, I just wanted to highlight where it's going. So, we're asking for a 10% increase, bringing it to a total of 423,361 for medical assumptions. And we've asked for years for working that as we go forward and you talk with the appropriations. Any questions for me before I turn it over to students on the basics?

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Do you also feel Are you able to raise any other money with the science?

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Yes, great question. So the financial picture is about 20% is that state funding, so that state funding is contributing 20%. About 30% is the sliding scale tuition, so families contributing what they can, to the tuition price. Some are paying as low as $10 I just wanna say. They can hardly have much for that. So, they are doing that for a week institute and just click there. So, 20%, 30%, the rest is raised, so about half of our money is raised. Our budget overall is $2,100,000 We're raising about 1,000,000 and we're giving that money back to families in financial assistance tuition reduction. That raised money, so we're leveraging the dollar that you give us and raising the private dollars. We're raising it from foundations, both private and public, and we're raising it from business support and from individual contributions. You have somebody in staff doing it, just focused on that. I have one person on staff focused on it. It's a lot and this climate is tricky right now. Federal funding

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: I spent like a great career raising money.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Yeah, so. So, yes, it's an interesting time to be doing that, and yet the need is great, and we know that the work is important. So, you know, we're coming with that humble ask to say, you know, please keep supporting us. We appreciate the support you've been giving, and please consider if you're interested.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Thank you. Yeah.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: So, I'd like to invite the two young folks up, if that's all right. Start with them. Thank you.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: What, so if if that'd be good, give us your names, what school you go to, what county you live in.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: My name is Henry Gogo. I graduated Rice last year. I am taking a gap year. I'm go to UVM this fall, and I live in Burlington. Okay.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Say your name again, for us.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: Henry. Henry. Okay. Sorry. Was just gonna say I'm a alum of public medicine. I'm 2024.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: My name is Effernan Reiter. I am a senior in high school at Vermont Common GIV of 2025.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: I'm going to

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: try and turn to my experience and how kind of helped me it's shape my future so far. I think the Government's Institute of Health and Medicine really helps broaden gotten in buying stuff, gotten people's ideas of, in certain subjects. I knew that I wanted to get into the health advice and so I didn't know what exactly, and I got exposed to many different career paths and provided the steps to get there. So I think it's really cool. So how did how

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: did that work? You were you went you went for one week, two weeks? So what actually did get close to? What did you do while you were there, like, day to day? Got up in the morning and got there.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: Oh, yes. We did Usually the day goes, like, we got breakfast and you learn some, like, broader skills about, helping us, like, all different kinds of stuff, like how the, like, respiratory stuff or how the lungs work. Okay. And the heart and everything. And then, like, towards, like, the afternoon, we wanted more, like, hands on learning about, like, how to stop the bleeding or CPR and how to catch a joke, assessments.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Okay. And then did that then go to, somewhere along the line, to possible career paths?

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: Yes. Like, towards towards the end, they have people from different career paths come in and, like, you get you, like, sign up or, yeah, sign up for the things you might be interested in and they give you more details about that. Think having that opportunity of hearing from professionals and hearing what they have to say is really interesting.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Okay. So one more question.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: What are doing with your camp here? Last semester, I was part of Knowles group in Patagonia. Okay. And then that semester, this semester, I am actually doing an EMT course with St. Mike's.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Oh, know that program. Yes. Yeah. It's a great, an amazing program. Yeah, that's good for you. So now you're on.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: Yeah. Thank you for having us. I just wanted to kind of touch on my experience before and after GIV. So coming into GIV, I really knew that I wanted to get certified in CPR, is why I chose the northern one. There's also the option for the southern GIV, although not this coming year, the combined, but for a more mental health focused one. I knew I wanted CPR because I have had instances in my life where emergency care was immediate and there was no one around certified who knew how to perform CPR. Coming out of GIV, I know that if I could go back to that circumstance, that life would not have been lost. And I think that's why GIV is so important, especially in health and medicine. Just, it's performing life saving measures. If something were to happen in this room right now, the two of us could take care of it. And that's an experience we got from GIV. Furthermore, we just had so much fun. Developed so many connections to friends. I have a small school. I don't have a broad community, but GIV connected me to friends from every corner of Vermont, down from Bourn Bourn to just seat you right by. And speaking of connections, it connected me to healthcare professionals in this career path. If this is something I would choose to pursue further in life, I have so many connections that I made at DIV. I think I just met like half of the EMTs who are at UBM. They're all there as my mentors. Yeah, he mentioned that, you know, the St. Mike's EMT course, our mentor Kevin is teaching it right now. And it's just an amazing experience and so many connections are made. And that's really important for youth, especially right now. We all know that Vermont could use some retention with our youth. And a lot of the reason why people are moving away is because there's different job opportunities elsewhere. What if we can establish connections for them right here and right now, like through programs at GIV? That would help a lot of retention because they have careers and jobs lined up for them through their connections.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: While staying. Yeah. I think I have any questions from the board members? I

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: can expand upon the question you asked about what a typical day would look like. Same thing, you wake up, eat breakfast, and then the day is split into two different sections. My morning, for example, was learning more through being taught verbally, and I learned about respiratory therapy. I learned about being a nurse practitioner. I learned about being a practitioner's assistant. Those were only the courses that I chose to go into. There were, at the same time, five other ones being offered. There's such a wide variety of what's introduced. There's sheep brain dissection, there was wilderness medicine, there was how to determine Well, this one's a little dark, but

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: it

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: was how like to determine who gets care if you can't give care to all. That's just a small sampling of everything that was offered at GIV. That's not even including the afternoon skills, included CPR, stop the bleed, BLS, so basic life support. I learned how to use the AGV very efficiently. I learned how to splint if somebody breaks their arm while I'm out on a hike, can stabilize it. There's just so many skills that I learned at GID that can continue further into my life.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: And, ahead, you may have answered this, but how did you find out about the program and decided to get into that? I don't know if

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: you had said that or not. That's a

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: great question. If I'm being honest, half my school signs up every year. Everybody wants to They do come around to our schools. Since I got a middle school high school, so since I was in middle school, I've seen GIV presentations happening, and it hasn't worked in my summers prior. Was going abroad, but this year, this past year, I was like, Oh, my God, there's some things I want to do, and I got in this video.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: For me, it's just kind of similar. Like, I knew some people that did it, and I just thought, like, just can see what it's like and see what the experience is. Could get from that, and I think that was right. So word-of-mouth. Are always good.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: Yeah. Great. It That's was another one of suppliers. Yeah, let me do it. And now I see why.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: I'm curious,

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: was your institute one of the ones that you can get college credit for?

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: Yeah, they could do certifications, not credit in this Which,

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: just out of curiosity, which ones I was just looking at this.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: Yeah, we currently have technology and design, entrepreneurship,

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: math,

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: weather and science, and weather and climate science.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So how many were with you each time in your group, in your group, or the session you went to, how many other students were there?

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: My session had about 60 kids, I want to say.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: I was gonna say mine is similar, like ninety seven days. Okay.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: But we're turning away kids every year. For every 60 kids that I get in, there's 100 more that applied and couldn't.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So, you stay there, but let's digress for a second to go back. So that's an issue, right?

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: Yes, we have been expanding.

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: I mean,

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: she's coming back to me from last year now.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: Yes, we've been expanding significantly and there's still a lot more to do.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Yes, so I'm surprised you're not connected with the Flexible Pathways, Access, or something.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: We are. Oh, you are. Oh, we are, yes. So, students can receive high school credit through the Flexible Pathways program, depending on how it's administered in their high school because it's done differently in every high school basement, which is hard. And then we have these four institutes that also offer college credit. You can use your voucher or you can pay directly at a reduced rate.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: St. Michael's has a fire and rescue with the students that are actually participating in being around the rescue squad. Yeah.

[Abbyanna — Student, Vermont Commons School (GIV 2025)]: I know multiple students who went through GIV and then continued on to get their VFR certification or their EMT certification, and I'm now working out pretty much as in ski patrols. Have a friend who's up in the fire department at Fairfax, and he's in his EMT course right now. Oh,

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: great. Thanks. Good, we have more more

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: business, so

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: stay here when they call you back.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Great. If you don't want to swap chairs.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Yeah, swap chairs, yeah. Joan, you want to start? Hi,

[Melanie Arsenault Santano — GIV Board Member and Alum]: everyone. Thanks for having us. My name is Melanie Arsenault Santano, and I am on the board of GOV, and I'm also an alum of Governors Institute on the Arts from the ninety's, so I'm dating myself there. So, this program had so much of an impact on me, but that, I wanna at least have you introduce yourself.

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: Sure. I'm Jeremy Rivera. I'm a 2007 graduate of the Governor's Institute of Vermont, and I am a board member. I also, in my professional life, am the chief financial officer of the state treasury, but I wanna emphasize that I'm here today in my personal capacities.

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: So, we can't ask questions on here.

[Melanie Arsenault Santano — GIV Board Member and Alum]: I'm also a parent of an alum, so my son is a senior, had gone through the environmental science program. I think that's on pause right now, but he did get credit, I know one of you were asking about credit for that, college credit for that, had a fantastic experience. My experience impacted me and my life. I grew up in the Northeast Kingdom, and I was the first in my family to go to college, and this was my first exposure to anything on a college campus. So, I really love that GIV also partners with other Vermont institutions, so Bread and Puppet Theater was working together that year, I know we have different ones this year, I got my first exposure to sort of political theater that way, and just a wide array of things of what you could do in the arts, and so it was probably at the end of GIV that summer that I decided I really wanted to be a dance major. They returned on investment and all of that, but it was it was such great exposure and just the confidence. I know that the two of you talked about that too, just building your confidence in being able to go to a college campus and be amongst peers in that way, in that capacity, and attending classes in the morning and going to something more interactive in the afternoon, and a lot of the institutes are set up that way.

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: So I grew up in Cabot, Vermont, in the Hawaiian Trailer, been a single parent and a very blue collar upbringing, which was lovely and idyllic in a lot of ways in rural Vermont, but I didn't always have access to a lot of the opportunities that more affluent people would have access to. I would say that as a high schooler, my role was very small, which again was very lovely, that I was very connected into this small town, rural network. But what GIV did for me was it really expanded my horizon. So in the Asian Cultures Institute, which is what I attended, it was a two year program, and the first year was you went to UVM and you stayed on campus and you learned about different Asian cultures, we had different Asian food, we did dance, and we did Tai Chi, and we did flower arranging, we learned a little bit Japanese and a little bit of Chinese. And that was a huge expansion of my horizons, to do that and to meet all these different people from around Vermont. And then the following year, we actually traveled to China. We were three weeks and we went all over China and saw all the different landmarks. And so for me, being from East Canada and seeing a different side of the world and a different country and a different culture and different people and different ways of doing business and different ways of going about the world, it really gave me this whole new perspective as a global citizen that I was able to come back to Vermont. As I mentioned, I now work in an executive level finance position, You might ask, what's the connection between this Asian Cultures Institute that I did in high school and the finance position? The dots are connected when you consider that GIV made me open to new experiences. It made me take risks that I probably would otherwise take. It gave me both social confidence and life confidence to do things that I might not ever have been able to do, and I wouldn't be the successful professional that I am now without that. But even so more than that, it gave me a perspective that allows me to appreciate different people and different perspectives and to be a global citizen, which I think is important in any line of work that you can do. One of the really powerful things about GIV is that as it's investing in young people and helping them with their careers and helping them explore opportunities and helping them realize that Vermont is a vibrant place where they can make a life, it is contributing to solving our demographic issues here, everything we can do to attract and retain young people. But when we talk about attracting and retaining young people, it's not just about keeping people here, it's about the perspectives that those people have, and it's about the quality of life that they have and what they're able to do and what they're able to contribute and how they're able to experience and enjoy life. Think GIV is a really powerful organization that really contributes to both of those goals in a really powerful way. That's kind of first thing I wanted to emphasize. Then a second piece that I will say is that we are here asking for funding. I'm a certified public accountant. I have a decade and a half working in financial management in various organizations. I have volunteered with a lot of different organizations and seen a lot of different budgets and government structures and ways of operating. What I wanna emphasize for you is that GFE is an incredibly good steward of the funds that they have. They very much so know the value of the dollar. They're very efficient. They have very great internal controls and they will make the best use of any money that you have to further their mission in the most efficient and effective way. And of all the organizations that I've worked with, either in a volunteer or a professional capacity, I would say that they are very top notch. And so any funds that come GAE's ways will certainly be a dollar's well spent to making Vermont a more vibrant and workplace going forward. Thank you. Welcome, James.

[Melanie Arsenault Santano — GIV Board Member and Alum]: I wanted to mention, because I'm not sure that we talked as much about the one day adventures, because we focus on the summer institutes, but I really think it's important, what GIV has been doing to expose a lot of students, even those that don't have it in their schedule to spend a week or two weeks in the summer, but just to come for a day and it's free to all Vermont

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: What does

[Henry Gogo — Student (GIV Health & Medicine 2024)]: come for a day and meet,

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: or where do they go?

[Melanie Arsenault Santano — GIV Board Member and Alum]: One day event or so, it depends on what it's on. So I just went to the one on cyber security last weekend, and that was at Champlain College, it's actually the same building as New Harbor Security, but it is a really wonderful way to expose students to a profession that they may not have known anything about, or they may have been a little bit interested in, and they're not sure, they wanna hear a little bit more and explore a little bit deeper, and I think that that's a really fantastic way that throughout the year, we can offer students of Vermont different exposure opportunities. And I know they came here as well, so it's wonderful that they can see about their civic engagement and the legislature and how that works.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So that goes on year round?

[Melanie Arsenault Santano — GIV Board Member and Alum]: That's throughout the year, different one day adventures that are scheduled throughout the year on Saturdays.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So most of your effort is given towards the summer program, you also are doing okay.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: And some of those, if that may, happen in other parts of the state, right? We want to make sure that we're going to the places that aren't necessarily reaching as many students. So, we've done them in Rutland, we've done them in Newport, we've done them for Alabro, trying to get around to make sure that we are reaching the students in all hands.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: That's great, yes. You have a point of contact in the legislature if you in one of our districts I'd like to like to all be participating with. Thank you.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: That'd be great. Do

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: during the summer or even about those single days to some of the some of the people who are the presenters, the professionals who come in, do they volunteer their time?

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: It's a mixture. Yep, some are volunteers and some are people. Okay,

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: so you have, I think we talked a minute ago, but, so you were not able to serve-

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: Many students. A lot of kids. Yeah, we have more demand than we can meet, particularly in the Health and Medicine Institute. That's one that we've been growing. We grew it from 35 to 70 to 140 students. Abbyanna alluded to the fact that we're going to be bringing those two sessions of health medicine into one at UVM this summer. Very excited.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: So, 150, whatever.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: 140 students all together. All together. And in conjunction with the College of Medicine, College of Nursing and Health Sciences, also bringing in BTSU's respiratory therapy and dental school from Williston, trying to really bring all the pieces together. So they'll offer more total. Yeah, the opportunities will be greater and hopefully we can grow those year on year. And we'd love to grow the numbers of students, right? And one of the ways that we do access more students is through these one day adventures so that people can take part.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: Any other questions or anything else you wanna add? So one thing we are oh, go ahead. The hanger one.

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: Okay.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: The thing we're asking people to do because we do a budget letter every year is to just send us, it doesn't have to be detailed, it's almost like you're sending us a reminder. Right. I just put a little bit of this sort of prompt us when we're doing that, looking for the list and thinking about what we're going to support for the education, when it's the open for patients to meet with. You can just-

[Jeremy Rivera — GIV Board Member (in personal capacity); CFO, Vermont State Treasury]: What is

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: your timing for that?

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: I think if you could do it in the next two weeks, you'd be fine. Make it longer.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: I can do it tomorrow.

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: No. No rush. Two weeks is plenty of time. It's funny. Don't don't rush. Just a single pager and you could just get into to that thing. You. Thank you.

[Elizabeth Rescoia — Executive Director, Governors Institutes of Vermont (GIV)]: You. Thank you for having me on. So

[Sen. Seth Bongartz — Chair]: we're gonna we have until 03:40, we're gonna go take a walk through