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[Senator Pat Brennan]: So for the record, senator Pat Brennan, are we on?

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Great. We're on. Welcome, everybody, to senate economic development, housing, and general affairs. It is Friday, and it is March 27. I'm miss Marching on, and, today, we're looking we're beginning today looking at some amendments to s one ninety eight, our, nicotine addiction and young people bill trying to reduce our consumer protection bill, trying to further protect our young people from addiction to nicotine, and our we are also going to be looking at cannabis, a vengeance cannabis bill. So we welcome Senator Brennan. Welcome, Pat.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Thank you. So as I previously stated, when we looked at this bill and appropriations, the thing that glared right out of the bat was the increase in fines to the clerk for the first offense for selling to an underage student loan, going from a 100 mine to $1,000 and that's my main focus. I was laser focused on that, and in the process unintentionally asked Jen to strip out the fines for second, third, fourth, fifth violations in section b of the bill, which I'm okay With reinstate. With reinstate. Right. My main focus is on the 100 to 1,000.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So with that, we're I think all clear on that now.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Yes.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Do you mind taking one sec to let Andy present his? Because you have a meeting, Andy.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: You have to leave. And I haven't. Have a seat there. Don't aren't

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: you both in the same meeting?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: We don't have a committee meeting at this meeting.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Oh, do you mind waiting for one sec?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Not at all.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Andy, pop on in. And Pat, there's a seat right behind.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: I'm good here. It's okay to meet him.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Senator Perks, like, welcome. Thank It's good to have you in our committee, although we're

[Senator Pat Brennan]: a little surprised with you.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Butcher of appropriate.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: The Butcher of Economic Development.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I think Brendan's off. I get a go. The

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Butchers, we have two of them. Now, if we can hold the rest of them captive, we might get to speak it up until we finance in this thing. Andy, welcome.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Thank you. I was just trying to find

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: We have your amendment right here if you wanna see it. Okay.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Thanks then. Would that be easier?

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I think we have it right here. You too.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: So if Yes. It's right here. So you'll notice it's a little different. There was not support to move the bill out of committee. So we're gonna have a committee report without a recommendation. What? Yeah. Does nobody support the concept that our young people are alarmingly getting increasingly attention to their publicly support for that. We didn't talk about that specifically.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: That's the purpose of the bill.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Yeah, there was parts of the bill that they didn't like, so they didn't want to vote for it with a favorable recommendation, so we did it with the ballot recommendations. And you can't amend a bill that you want to get passed out without recommendation. So we have a report that's without recommendation, and then we will I think there's not a big secretary said we have to do something else on account, so the order is a little weird. But we will present our non recommendation. And I think we have a vote on by the finance amendment. And then we'll have the appropriation committee members that were present that day submitted. So the vote to pass it without a recommendation, is that five three two's? Or not five three two's. Two two's. Three two two's. And then

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: That is disappointing. What were those sections that were thrown at you? I mean, purpose of this So

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: There there was a specific concern about the fines to clerks that sell Yeah. We're addressing that. That was that was, I think, the main concern.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: For that, we're gonna sink the whole incredibly important purpose of this consumer protection bill.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: The position.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: That was was We'll

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: hope the senators have a different view.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Well, if they wanted to sink the bill, there was other way. The bill passed out of committee. They didn't try to, like, kill it because they didn't want us to support it at that moment without some changes. So it was easier to get it out of committee without our exhibition. But then all the members that were present support the amendment, which is a typical appropriation. Pat's amendment or your There's an amendment from members of the committee of which I listed first. And all the committee members, the three that were there or the four that were there, That's what we have in front of the perks like the everybody. Okay. It's not every

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: in the. Okay. Great.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: There's two missing. Great. So what do you support, and what are you deleting? We're deleting the appropriations. When we're deleting the one if remember correctly, there's one appropriation for position. Am I remembering correctly? Yes. And then there is the money that the other parts that we deleted were the parts where you're taking money for the general fund or money that could end up with the general fund if you were moving it to the tobacco fund. And so we didn't want to do that without considering the budget implications of the state.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: That could be alive in play as you do the puzzle, but

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Definitely will be part of it. And we didn't have the dollar figures at that time.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Do you have them now? Did Ted give you I mean, you're waiting till we're Yeah.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Well, till later. But we did find out at the time. We also weren't sure where they were exactly going, but I did get some kind of details on where all these funds are going, all these fees. The funds collected are going now. There was always a connection to that to the general fund, that's why we start with section two and three.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. So that's appropriations and the general fund. Third is deleting the investigator? Yeah. So last time, this is sort of what this wicked cash credit did. Last time the governor decode the bill because there wasn't enforcement. Now we've embedded enforcement in this bill,

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: and you're not supporting it. Though we hope that will be

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: the piece that the governor supports. We're not saying we're

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: not supporting We're saying that we don't support it. Yes. Tying up the money.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. You don't support it yet.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Yeah. Right. We might Big deal. We could support it, but we just don't support it. The money for it. We find the money somewhere else.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Keep working the treasurer's office to find that money. The truth is that a little, but that's not okay.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Right? And Yeah. So this is amendment for me, Ruth, Brennan, Norris, and

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Ginny,

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: I assume, voted. She was there there. She was

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: there there. Yeah.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Watson and Lime Guard for rest of the business. And we had to get it out to this.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Oh, okay. Gosh. Where were those two? We needed those two. Okay. So your fourth instance is technical. Yeah.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: I need to start to change. Okay. And the first instance is also related to this second amendment. First and second are doing the same thing.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. So you keep prohibiting devices and stuff? Yeah.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: You keep All that. All that. So many of it's it's a general So there's something. We did we we left more in this film than you last, so we're in our trending in the right way.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Listen. But I learned an important lesson from last, so that was good going forward. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Gosh. I don't know.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Okay. Thank

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: We will just grin and bear it.

[Senator Andrew Perchlik]: Okay.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So Pat, now you haven't been so tough on our bill, now you want us to change something and you want it to pass.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Yes. In your words, madam chair. Yes. And the reason, I was one of the, obviously, designers And in the for that main reason, as a former media store owner and knowing a lot of the people in the business, those initial fines on, was it one on 1 thousand seven, in section eight, just hit me like it stood right out. Yeah, of course. And if I may tell you a little story we have time. Of course. All I could think about was the 16 year old lawyer, young lady that was a valid attorney, actually, VHS working for me, friend of the family, was a victim of a state, and it it was traumatic for her. I don't you know, don't mean to belittle with it at all. She was you know, the guy comes in with a badge and boom here. You did this, you did that, and she was she was traumatized. She quit. It was the first offense I've had, the only offense, I should say, in twenty years, but She didn't go to school for three days. I mean, they really hit her hard because it's a scary thing for a six year And old I paid her fine. I think it was a $100 back then. And we learned a lesson. And since then, things have evolved in in education and get your license. Everybody has to have a thing on file or, you know, they've been to a class and things have changed. And so that's the story on that. And it's not the only story. There are many stories out there. It's hard enough to find a clerk these days at any age. But do you remember

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: do you remember when that was?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: That was probably in 1996 or '8 maybe or early two thousand, you know, twenty years ago. Long time. It was a while ago. However, this is on the clerk, and there was a little confusion over who paid the fine or who was actually fined, and it is the clerk. At a thousand dollars, even if it was to the establishment, I can only tell you if I still own my business now over the little mom and pop, not much bigger than some of the rooms in here, I couldn't afford a thousand. As the owner of the establishment, that's that's pretty hefty. I think when you're when you get that initial especially when you're looking at subsequent offenses, which I would be happy to put back in by a man that doesn't state that. Yeah. Especially when you're facing a thousand dollar, a 2,000, a 3,500, and a 5,000 for subsequent offenses, your eyes are open to the issue and you're educating further your staff as to the situation.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I appreciate your I particularly appreciate you withdrawing the subsequent penances. You. We'll reinstate those. And a new draft.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Oh, good. And then Do wanna put it should we put it up to make sure?

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: But I guess, what I would ask to two questions at you. And do you guys have any questions before I have?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Don't mean to dive in. All I can say

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: is we saw this coming and the swap vote against it in the committee voted against this bill. The fees, the penalties, huge consequences, which is what we're talking about. Bill was riddled with shock value items that needed to be dampened down a bit. That's now what we're doing, but it's ninth hour.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So I appreciate that. We've addressed the penalties in some ways to address your concern, which is good. And the and some of the consequences. I would ask two things. One, since that time, I don't think the the speed has increased for many years. I would wonder if you were willing to at least support increasing the fee to a 150 or $200, which would just keep pace with some of the inflation of the cost of of things. That's one question. You could think think about that. And the second is, my I also have heard, because this is a way for young people to actually access some of this stuff when we're looking at some of the sieve holds in how are young people getting these drinks. Sadly, we also know of of young people taking on clerk jobs just so that they can enable some of this. So, I mean, I I know that there are lot of great clerks, but I also know that there are lot of very smart young people who if they want something, they know very have

[Senator Pat Brennan]: very clever ways of figuring out how to

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: do it. So I would say that balance you know, there's probably a little bit of a balance there. I also think the plus of having a consequence, as David would call it, is that hopefully with the education they get and knowing that this faculty is there to speak, they will just be more attentive. I mean, that's really what we want. We're just wanting, I think, it because it goes to clerks to be more attentive and appreciate what they're enabling when they sell it underage units.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Understood. And I agree with you on that. And I don't have to think a whole lot about it. I mean, times have changed, and this was many years ago. I don't know how many years that fight has been. I'm guessing twenty or twenty years or so. Well, I think you'll know

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: how long?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I don't know offhand.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: But it's been the attorney general's office. I don't know, but I can

[Senator Pat Brennan]: check-in on that.

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Yeah. I'd have to give you the legislative speech.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: So Yeah. Yeah. I would

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Would you be willing to go to one fifty?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Sure.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Because I think definitely it's increased that age.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Yeah. I'm okay with that.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: And then keeping the and keeping the subsequent penalties.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Yes. I sorry about that. I was so late to focus on the the 100,000.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Or laser crumpet on that. Things we have experience with, and you've had a tough experience with that. Yes. Thomas, as the reporter.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Yeah. So we do have planned another committee event, and I'm pretty sure of the fake IDs. You're more than welcome to do this, but would you want us to just move that into the event that we're already gonna do, or do you wanna speak today?

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Would you mind? Then we'd to

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: keep it on. Okay. All. So Great. Take that one fifty, we just put it in that other event that we're doing. That would be great. Okay.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: He picked the subsequent penalties, raising the, impact on the clerk to one fifty. And then

[Senator Pat Brennan]: The thing I need, I think, is on.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: And we have you already voted on that one. Right?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: It would no. We have not. You have. Okay. Saved it for you, madam chair.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: What a gift. The dog who never told me who's

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: on it is just senator Blank. Okay.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So this is what came out of your finance discussion. Pat, are you okay if we move to that also and so you know what it will be included with? Are you okay with if we move to the discussion of what that came out of finance discussion in terms of the penalties?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Yeah.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. Thomas, would you be kind enough to

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Sure. I'll also just add police support with senator Brennan's an argument for, and that came up. Senator Cummings had a personal experience where one of her loved ones was a teenager, sold some cigarettes or alcohol or something to somebody, and it caused all sorts of grief. So I think it makes sense to to soften this down to wherever we are now. What are also came up is from I think maybe senator Brock, would you like to speak to the bank ID discussion in finance?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I think Mike did better. No. Go ahead.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Go ahead. I don't recall specific arguments from any individual, but the fact that we are right now, the the bill that's on the floor, eliminating a consequence for the teenagers who, are called to present the potluck possession and use and purchasing. Purchasing. We're eliminating those for argument that I think were persuasive, but we also in that are eliminating if a underage individual presents a face ID, which the argument was, that's an intention to deceive and there's consequences for such intentional ways to circumvent the law. So I I believe what finance was proposing was just to reinstate that penalty for use to not strike that out. Does that capture what you recall? Jen, anything I missed there?

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Jen Kermelich said counsel. That was the, I think, discussion you've had and then brought back in here from finance. There's a separate financing. Right.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: There is? Yes.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Yes. We changed the the thousand dollars that was I I'm going to present the building today saying that was a placeholder. We can have some finance have that discussion set into not be a thousand dollars, but instead The fees. The licensing fees. Now we're talking licensing fees for retailers. It not be a thousand dollars, but instead it'd be a $150, which is an inflation adjustment to as well as $75. There was a lot of strong opinions on that, and then was a four one two vote for a four two one vote for various reasons. That was where we Part

[Senator Pat Brennan]: of the idea that the 150 people thereabouts was, as we looked at other states, particularly surrounding states, what kind of penalties were they in focus, their position was somewhere in the fifty year. So we're still raised on the basis of inflation from where we are now. That's how we have Yeah.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: No. I that's why I asked Pat. Along I you know, when we used to do the fee bill, we would have seen this in ways and means because we had three year schedule. In the old days,

[Senator Pat Brennan]: we have three year schedule of

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: the fee bill, and we would have known when that fee was last raised. But, Mike, it sounds like it's been quite a while, and so

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I think it and absolutely,

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: it's appropriate for to be raised.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: I do still see a lot of merit in all that this bill is doing, which is shifting it over to DLL and also separating Calcom and tobacco license. So I I still worth the trajectory. It's gonna have been cost that much.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I agree. The thousand dollars is really what drove a lot of discussion points. Wow. It's just a little

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: eye popping. So do we have this draft if you want to walk us?

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: So I you're talking about a lot of different pieces right now, so I've been a little

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: we have Brennan's piece, which is raising doors. Which is gonna be absorbed in the hours.

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Yes. So so just to

[Senator Pat Brennan]: kind

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: of go back to the beginning. We have the amendment out of here. There's the finance proposal, which which is increasing the licensing fees and adding the licensure fee for wholesale motors. I don't if you mentioned that. I got a call from the school that freaked me out for a second. Oh. So this adds a wholesale licensure fee that is the same as the wholesale licensure fee for liquor license. That was a proposal from the department that finance accepted, and then made just, I think, sort of a technical update to change language around a non criminal penalty from a fine to a penalty. That's all in the finance amendment. Okay. And then there's a Kerchlicht Amendment that takes out, perch link and others that takes out the the direction of licensing fees, penalties, and settlement monies into the tobacco trust fund and eliminates the investigator position and the report. And now we're talking about this committee's amendment would be incorporating the Brennan amendment with the increase to 150 and we've got the purchase use possession

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: of Putting the back the

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: penalty for the using false identification

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: purchase for underage. And the consequence for that is what? What's the amount? $50 I believe. That to me is inadequate.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: It's a lot of teenagers who 50 you know, extra support raising, can put a thousand bucks to a teenager.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: A thousand bucks, I is is stiff. But I I I and the same argument. I think that that's been there for a long time. I I think a consequent that to

[Senator Pat Brennan]: be a consequence. And if you're gonna use

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: a fake ID, that's very intentional. There you But it is.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: It's like a relative to the age bracket. You know? Or it just reverts to the parents. In this case, 50, 25, 50, hundreds, you know, that's a big funny story, think. Not a thousand. That's just, again, we're trying to find, you know, kind of the edge between emotional and pragmatic. And I think we're still leaning in the edge of emotional. We just need to keep consequence, make it significant enough to get the attention of you, but not overdo it because we're being hold by emotions. I would argue that a $100 penalty would have a a fee

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: be more impactful than $50 in this day and age when people are you know, when people get allowances and they're much more than what we all got as allowances. And I I think, sadly, inflation would make an impact fee of a $100 actually impactful as opposed to

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Yep. That that's fine. I heard someone say a thousand in that same when that same paragraph, someone said a thousand, and that is

[Senator Pat Brennan]: No. I think about 100

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: means that parents, we would hope, would say, this is on you, and this is not something I'm bailing you out of. And and a and a kid could work that off.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I'm just trying to contain this Yep. Explosion of emotion around this issue. Just kind of free right back to the table or two. How much is enough? Who needs the attention? Who's getting the attention? Do we have a good census about your health?

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: What if we did 75?

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: 7,500 is either response? Think we

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: got all the numbers on

[Senator Pat Brennan]: a 100. I'm at a 100 because it is me able to even to a kid. Yeah.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: I mean, I didn't get an allowance. You know?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I mean,

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: I think 75 now is probably three hours of of baby today for somebody. Like, it's, you know

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: That's good. That's intentional. I mean,

[Senator Pat Brennan]: kids are getting paid $25 a night.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Right. No. That's what I'm saying. I I don't know what 100 pills are a lot.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Thomas, what are your I mean,

[Senator Pat Brennan]: you kids have allowance?

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: For half that. Your kids are new. Good.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: They well, you would? Okay. I mean So

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: do your kids getting allowed? So how does this fit into that? It's future worries. Yeah. So, I mean, a $100 would be something they could work with. Yeah. Okay.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: My kids don't smoke, though.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Thanks. Do. It's their watch.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Chittenden. I will say, I mean, you know, we have having when we have had these discussions on ways and means of finance, we have moved the needle on smoking for middle and upper class families. We have not moved the needle on smoking for lower income people. That is not proven out again and again. So I've never supported, you know, tobacco tax increases to to just fill budget holes. You know, I think it's one thing to raise the pack, the the cost of a Tex the Gretz or it bakes so that that product is out of reach for somebody. But, you know, if they're using a fake ID to get tobacco, you know, they're they're probably addicted. So, you know, I don't wanna say, like, that's just allowance money. You know? This is that that's probably not what we're talking about there.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: It's a consequence, though.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: And I I just don't want it to be said that there's consensus on

[Senator Pat Brennan]: on a

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: If my kids, you think I need to try to buy tobacco. I'd want them to get a

[Senator Pat Brennan]: $100 fine. Yeah. Me too.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: But they better not in case they're watching this.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: That's the second. So, support on a $100 fee or or one or one. Oh, you don't hate to that. You need to know that. Well, I

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: don't think that's a boom. You have to report it. It's part of

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: the paper. So I have three instances of amendment. The third one is really sort

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: of a technical informing one that I wanna appear you can. You can

[Senator Pat Brennan]: make it a tiny bit bigger.

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: You can tell me who wants to be.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: I see. So, I'm reporting the bill, the finance amendment. I'm happy to yield to anybody else but if you'd like me to also do this one, can fold. I'm not

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: going to say anything. If we address these issues, I don't have an intention to say anything. It's covered.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Great.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I get So another block from finance that would make the most sense. What about the No, no, no.

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Why don't I show you what's in it and you can say who else be on?

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: We also just have Senator Blank do it. I like that guy. So

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: we have in, first instance is putting back in just the penalty for misrepresenting age to purchase tobacco products, and so we take out all of Section 1,005 in Title VII, but then we put it back in, still striking the possession piece and purchase, but keeping in the part about misrepresenting by presenting false ID, and you can see the penalty would increase from $50 to $100 and clarifying that that's still brought in the same manner as the traffic violation, which the language above said that this one didn't expect. I think that's still accurate. And then second instance is the one you talked about with Senator Brennan. So I put back in, now we're in section 1,007, and we're striking out subsection A in its entirety because we're changing the 100 isn't going to 1,000, it's going to 150 for first offense, and then we're keeping all of the rest of the language that leads into the new revised subdivision B2. So the rest of it is the same as in yours, as voted out of this committee. And then the third one is really the technical one that is just amending the jurisdiction of the judicial bureau because violations of 1,005 now relate only to misrepresentation of a shield. And that is it.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Thomas and David and Randy, Kesha? I'm fine. Okay.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Would you like to report it, sir, or do want pizza?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Either one. You wrote it originally.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Okay. Either one. I'll do it. And then I'll just pull it in. I floor a station.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Might be able to go to Yeah. That way it's done once, and it'll be faster. Okay. Drown sickle.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Sure. So on a just a straw poll, it sounds like we're Kesha, where are you on this amendment?

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: I'm right at the

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: on that matter. Okay. Right. Right.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Think of that.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Thomas, you have a committee support. Name for you all. I think Chittenden and Brock, the two finance people who are on on finance. It came from finance. So and

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Right. It would be odd to have the whole committee on a

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: whole committee on a couple other amendments.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Trying to

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: on a bill.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Great. Perfect timing. We are set. The amendment needs to go up to Yes.

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Will send it to Sarah and and And we'll take

[Senator Pat Brennan]: it off at at a moment when you have a bonus. You, everybody. Thank you.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Yep. Good work. Only a fool doesn't change their mind. And the house will, of course, have at it.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: So we will see. Thank you, Todd. Thank you all.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Thank you, AG's office. Thank you, PAG intern.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Good to have you.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: My pleasure. Yeah. We should have asked you about the pamper. Tell me

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: where you made.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: I've got The pamper. Yeah. What what what a $100 is making people. Why don't

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: you pay a $100?

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Because even fake ID is like a $100.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Did you make me Oh, a

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: fake ID is a $100. Oh my god. The pamper. Would you join us?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Where did you do that? Do you have a

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: She just I was just emailing a third of over to text her.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Yeah. You would text her and I will email you the did she send us the amendment? Yeah.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: What would be why,

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Margaret? David, did she send you I don't see

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: an amendment for Margaret. I think he probably has been sending

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: me excerpts. Right? He's getting admitted doctors prepared last week, so I'm sure. It was I was told it was edited by

[Senator Pat Brennan]: 07:45. It was

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: edited by 05:15AM. So, anyway, Tucker, would, wait, do we have to wait for Tanya to be here? What's the

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: You don't have to, share. Okay. Cheryl? She could join remotely. She's not here yet.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: She knew we were starting to sit down here.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Can you email it to me and I'll text it

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: to her? Yep. Did she email it to you?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Where is it then?

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I don't think anyone does it again. Except Chikr.

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: We'll email those things.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: I just have you. To your personal email. So

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: apologies. We're we're we're waiting for our we're shifting gears to cannabis, and we have a cannabis amendment referred, sort of a preview to yesterday that I believe involves the d, with the with the ability to purchase two ounces or, less that we would expunge that, which is would face some challenges because it's two to eight ounces. Yeah. Absolutely. So before Tucker begins, I think this committee I think this committee wants to wish you a well good luck on on this exciting new birth. We hope it goes swimmingly without any hitch. And we anyway, we send you out into the second experience of parenthood with joy joyous expectation. Buckle up.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Buckle up. Thank you so much. I'm very excited. Good morning to a great assembly, decided council. Mike, you can't get rid of me. I'm like a bad flea. You're not gonna shave me off. I'll be back in a couple weeks. Know. More tired than I am now, but I will

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: You will be more tired, because you're going from two to one to man to man defense. Same. There's like this movie.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Cover two. Yeah. To start from the top with something you just brought up, there was discussion. I mean,

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: in all fairness, she has discussed this event with us, so I feel comfortable.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: There was discussion about spongement and raising the possession limit for purposes of civil violation, and that's where things got a little confused yesterday, which is that at the time that the regulated market opened up, the criminal penalties for almost all of possession were shifted to civil penalties, and there was expungement of criminal records at that time. So the concerns that were raised yesterday were actually solved for this, and there's an obligation to expunge with the ships in S-two seventy eight. Okay. The only records that might exist related to some of this would be law enforcement records that are kept and subject to the Public Records Act, but that's a separate issue issue to deal with, which is what exemptions do we have, and what confidentiality do we have around the types of investigatory records that a law enforcement agency keeps regardless of whether it's civil or criminal. But it's not an expungement issue, and there's no necessary spawn pen amendment that you have to attach to the building. The other issue that was raised was around consumption of cannabis in rental units. Right. Which is what the amendment currently addresses. So Yes. To be clear about consumption, it is broader, as you know by now, than just smoking lighted cannabis products. There is absolutely nothing in statute right now that prohibits a residential tenant from consuming cannabis, even lightened cannabis products, inside of their dwelling unit. That is all governed by the four corners of a rental agreement between the landlord and the tenant. Nation. Now there were absolutely concerns that were raised at the time that, the regulated market was created around how this would affect the landlord's ability to restrict cannabis use within rental units, and because of that, there was this language added into 18 VSA forty two thirty a that essentially said that the possession limits, as they shift, shall not be constructed by a court to require landlords to allow possession or use of cannabis inside of the premises they call them. So we couldn't mandate it, but the hold still allows landlords to say no. Correct. What Senator V. Hoefsky is proposing to do is to clarify that construction in APN BSA 4230A to say that if nothing in that section prohibits a landlord from fanning the use of lighted cannabis or cannabis products in a lease agreement, and then to amend the residential rental agreement subchapter in title nine to add a new section that prohibits rental agreements, broadly, from including provisions. It would prohibit an individual from possessing or consuming cannabis within a dwelling unit, except for lighted cannabis products. That is still on the table for being prohibited on a landlord's property. So this is focused largely on prohibiting a landlord from within the lease, broadly prohibiting the possession or use of cannabis, including, you know, gummies, edibles, non

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: lighting To include all the things that don't have an impact on the paint or paintings or the building. Tanya, welcome. We had to get get going, but thank you. Thank you for this.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: That's good.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. So it's all sort of nonimpactful consumption is what I

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Is

[Senator Tanya Vyhovsky]: the intent. Yes. Is that it's, you know, the stuff that doesn't impact the dwelling itself. Once the person moves out, dwelling would be no different Right. Of the use. Right.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: And so that's helpful. Thank you. Kesha? I know that we've had this discussion for a long time. I definitely want this to move so people aren't doing something we say is legal on the one hand, but is prohibited on their rented premises. Does this align with other ways we draft rental agreement language. Someone was saying, really, you have to kind of do the onus on the land, like this prohibits them from including this in a rental agreement, but I think there's another alternative way to write it to be considered that just says, you know, you have to, the onus is on the landlord to express if cannabis is prohibited. So, like, if it's silent, they are able to do it. If they, you know, I mean, some people have, you know, shared common areas or something and they might say like, no illicit substances or no drugs, and I don't know if that then puts it back in a gray area.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Tucker, what are your thoughts?

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: The term premises is defined in Title IX, and this would allow an individual to consume anywhere within the premises, which includes grounds, common areas, pathways, and their individual dwelling unit. You could pick out specific areas in the prohibitions if that's a direction the senator and others wanted to go in with the amendment. You could also remove this language entirely and replace it with the language that you're bringing up. The issue that I would flag for the sponsor of the amendment is that the intent and request, as I understood it, was to ensure that landlords could not prohibit their tenants from using non funded cannabis within their rent payment. Right,

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: and I probably agree with even that intent, just wanna anticipate what might come up on

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: the floor because this is a tricky area of the law. David?

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: So I agree with the intent of the amendment Yeah. And I respect the change we're trying to make. The only question I have is based on yesterday afternoon, walking down to find some food, and a guy with a vape, just a vape, breathing out as vape. This is not a lighted product. This is a nonlighted product, and it was, you know, big and cloud

[Senator Pat Brennan]: of Vape.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: It was a vape, but it it had, like, you know, all kinds of smell and kind of like a bubblegum perfume kind of and I wondered if if that's if that's a an element of this thing that's not adequately addressed. Is that a lot of these products have even a vape, have a smell. And I'm just wondering, should, whose side are we on here now? Because again, it's kinda like the knife edge between the landlord and the tenant. This one is, it's not addressed here. Wondering where we should look

[Senator Pat Brennan]: at it.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Because we should land somewhere. Tanya has thought. Okay.

[Senator Tanya Vyhovsky]: Two thoughts. One to the first question from Senator Ram Hinsdale. I do intend to make sure that people can use cannabis within the four walls of their apartment. But I actually am not opposed to allowing a landlord to prohibit that use in, say, common areas or like outdoor out of the apartment. You know, like I live in in a condo that has a pool area that prohibits drinking, and I and I think that's fine. So if there is a way to shift the language so that it really applies to the four walls of of where someone lives.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Yeah, private premise.

[Senator Tanya Vyhovsky]: That would be okay with me.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Thank you, Tiffany.

[Senator Tanya Vyhovsky]: In terms of the vapes, I so cannabis vapes cannot be flavored, so they can only smell like cannabis. So I think it's a little different than than the ones that you're talking about that that smell like candy, perfume. My preference would be to leave it just lighted cannabis, but if the committee feels strongly that they want to include vapes in that ability to prohibit, I don't I I would be sort of agnostic to that decision. So so if it were left to me, I would do it as it is, particularly because the cannabis vapes won't have that same type of strong smell. But if the committee feels really strongly, I I would.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I was given I okay. I probably will admit I don't have an experience of actually comparing the smell of smoked cannabis versus baked cannabis. So I don't know what the smell difference is. I have a very sensitive nose though. And so I have an interesting experiment to have at this room.

[Senator Tanya Vyhovsky]: Well, I think the difference is the water the water vapor that hasn't been burned doesn't linger and doesn't get into the walls. It's so and so smoked cannabis, in in all likelihood, has that that sort of smokiness that will linger. I actually personally don't use cannabis, but I I have certainly been around the difference, and I think it's really the act of, like, lighting and burning it that creates the lingering impact.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Got it. Toss. I'm generally supportive of this. I I like the idea of not allowing the four walls premise and still allowing the landlords to be able to restrict in common areas if that can be reflected in the language. I'm just gonna run this upstairs.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Thank you very much. Words down. Right?

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: I like the idea of allowing them to vape in their own premise. What I've seen of vapes is not nearly as toxic and as discoloring stuff. It just seems like a viral vape, so I don't know.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Any other thoughts?

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Potentially an incremental approach to this might be fair that a prohibited lighted cannabis allow other cannabis but I think in between is vapes and I would go conservatively at first and prohibit the the vape. The vape is a it's a vapor. Settles on everything that's in the surrounding area. It's less it's less

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: It's less impactful than smoking. So that that's.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: But it's still in. I do know that. And I I think that again, conservative approach, one step at a time. Well, you know, institute this but include, the prohibition lighted and vapes.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Lighted and vapes. Let's see how it works.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Two years I without personally like to try and harmonize where possible with what else we kind of what we treat as smokeless versus non smokeless. So, I mean, am I imagine now I'm curious, maybe don't say it in here, with other vapes, you'd have to spell out a prohibition of no vaping in your premises if that was a problem. Like, if you say no smoking, then that's pretty clear, but I I think vapes are already there's there's usually silence around tobacco vapes and non, I don't know what else kind of vapes that are we selling on.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: No problem. Just terrible villains.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I recommend that this is just my record? Yeah. Include the vapes. Let the house deal with it. Let them take testimony from landlords on tobacco vape impact or other lobbyists. Let it go

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: from there. So include in in cannabis consumption, but

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: they also include vapes. Or include vapes with smoking. Include vapes with the smoking aspect. Now let the house

[Senator Pat Brennan]: the opposite and let the house add it if it wants to.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Yeah. Yeah. I I think I I think I I sort of land on that. Then let the house The house will know this conversation has happened.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Because otherwise it appears as if we're making an endorsement when in fact we're not.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: We're, so- There's no evidence.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Right, if we're silent on it, let's say, can you take the issue up more? Yep. Because we, I mean, we heard that when we try to bring vapes in, there's different kinds, there's different It's like

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: a whole another box. But

[Senator Pat Brennan]: no evidence. And so I think we've So they

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Right. I I'm happy to to to include this, let the house deal with the vaping aspect of it, and and move forward.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: And we and it it we'll raise it.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I mean, I've I have conversations with Matt prepping in for bills that are coming to her. Just like I'm hoping to have a moment with Tucker before the end of the day to discuss the alcohol bill coming in about Oh, so

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: this is your last day? Yes. This is oh, you missed her two weeks.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: I'll be I will be back next week all the

[Senator Pat Brennan]: way

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: through Wednesday, however long.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Oh, you're back

[Senator Pat Brennan]: next week? The set and the body go. I thought you had said this was your last week. That's why I did my little good long lead. Well, I appreciated it either way that you'll carry me through early Okay. Next

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So we have you until when next week? End of the

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: day Wednesday, whenever that Wednesday is. Either that term at this point is. May I have screen sharing authority?

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: Yes.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Thank you so much. Just wanna make sure while everyone's here that I have accurately captured the discussion for purposes of draft 1.3 of Simon Szniewski's assessment.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Shouldn't drop my glasses. Do you need some? No. I have a pair

[Senator Pat Brennan]: of mic, so I can always use it.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I'm gonna pass these damn to Tucker. Oh, here we go. See if that is helpful.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Have all said thank you very much. I'll just try them. Mean, I Use don't if they them as a demonstrative prop. They're a great prop. Okay. So, no bakes, so I didn't have to add that. I want to explain where the change is happening and why. So, the discussion circled around focusing on the dwelling unit instead of the entire premises. So this now reads that, rental agreement shall not contain a provision that prohibits a tenant from possessing cannabis or cannabis products within the rental premises. I left that there for the following reason. If the only protection is for the dwelling unit, then the dwelling unit becomes an island where possession is okay, but every other part of the premises that the tenant has to pass through is prohibited. Right. So you need the premises. So you need it to be the premises. Or using cannabis or cannabis products within a dwelling room. So Now you've zoomed in on use solely within a dwelling unit, which is a defined term within this rental agreement subject.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Alright. Yes. Did I succeed? I

[Senator Tanya Vyhovsky]: think so.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Yeah. That is fine by me.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Can you bring it back up just for a sec? Just one couple words that I I fully understand the intent. I just want to make sure when we get to the floor, don't have somebody raise your English professor raise his hand. So, the Line 13, lighted cannabis or cannabis products. The word lighted refers to the first use of the word cannabis, but not necessarily the second use after war. And I'm wondering if in fact, what we're, that the war cannabis products actually defeats the entire currency.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: If the intent here is that lighted qualifies both of the terms, I will, yes. Lighted cannabis products would also fall under that. It would be things like your, what about contact point, solid concentrates, gas, shatter, there we go.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Oh my god.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Shatter, because we

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: I think what Tucker is saying, for those of us who are not deaf, is lighted tobacco or tobacco products. It's also how we frame that language.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: We're we're all Just wanna

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: make sure it's very clear that we don't trip over ourselves with that war.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Hopefully that clear. Okay. Just listen to more Chance the Rapper, and you'll hear about some chatter and

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Okay. Thanks. So talk to yep. And, Brad. Is there a potential issue of complaint from a tenant who is anti patasse that the odor from the premises of an individual who is a cannabis user spills out into the halls and is defensive, more objectionable to that tenant while walking down the car.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: There can be within the forefront of the rental agreement, and I've seen this in my own in the past, terms around nuisances, right? Nuisance, odors, and odor control within Usually, it's around you know, calls out things like cooking and Often, there are nuisance complaints about cooking. That's, I think, the most And music. And music. Right. Of course, music. And many times had music ordinances. I mean, noise ordinances that that music And, actually, what redress, if any, does that complain you had an ad when you've had something constructive delayed? Well, the overlap between those terms and a rental agreement, you can still have outside of what this specific section prohibits, terms around things like those tobacco disorders and nuisances and behavior and control of those things that spread outside of the development.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: For example, out of the states of Kansas, an issue of whether or not it is a problem, but they're not talking about me to go to lawfulfill. So there was no testimony

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: I was in from where I go. And I haven't been able to research that. I've been so wish I could offer help.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. It sounds like we've landed this plane. General support of this amendment? Thumbs up? Okay. Okay. Great. So thank you, Tanya. You'll present it. Kesha will respond, and I think we have unanimous agreement. Thank you, Tucker. Well And thank you editors who are editing at 05:14 in the morning or whenever.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Well, Tucker sitting to see if I'm chair.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: We have another amendment?

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: This is the amendment you've already agreed to with the change that's in the calendar. I just don't wanna surprise you. So it's let's put yellow. It's everything that you all signed on to last week, but this will be I just sent you a note about

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Just for reminders.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: It's conditionally applying these, these fee reductions if one is allocated to the end of this business development fund and this budgetary care. So the condition to make approach to finance that.

[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Won't probes just delete it?

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: No. So, I don't,

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: because it's contingency language, so they can take the contingency language into the five feet.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Thank you for asking. I guess it's struggling.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Out for now.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Good Good

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: evening. So much of the bill is out

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: for now, but not forever.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: Can I say a straw poll

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: is 5 o Sula? Yes. Okay. And to flag to you all the legal consequences of this, if $105,000 is not appropriated transferred to the CVDF under the terms of this contingency, then the fee structure never takes effect, and that has to happen by 07/01/2026. So this effective date also acts as a drop dead deadline.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So who's responsible for making sure that happens? CCB?

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: Making sure that the appropriation happens? The General Assembly. If the General Assembly does not appropriate or transfer by July 1, May 26, $105,000 to the CBTF, then this section never takes a notice of the payment.

[Senator Thomas Chittenden]: We don't

[Senator Pat Brennan]: need to do it mechanically. We need to do

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: it in statutes for passing budget. Right.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So that has to be addressed in the budget. So, actually, this has

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: to be addressed? Has to be addressed in the budget or some other bill that moves money around. Okay. Just to make sure I understand,

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: our budgetary request was a million dollars to the Cannabis Business Development Fund. So if we appropriate above $105,000 in the the FY twenty seven budget for the Cannabis Business Development Fund. Isn't automatic that the first $105,000 would go to cover these

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: If you take a look at the last couple lines in that contingency language, it actually calls out that this has to be an appropriation for the purposes of covering the reduction. Okay. So, this might be separate from a base budget CBDF transfer. Has to be called out by the general assembly.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: We aren't covering the $105,000

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: reduction fee revenue.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: Like an off the top as we say. One

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: of us is going to have to track it and stay on top of it and or I'll be tracking

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: the other appropriation Yeah, yeah. I'm happy to do that.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: You. We will delegate you to be chief Chief Propriations Advocate. Thank you. Good from Sarakina, these are now just like constant, always never remembered his class. We've appeared just for

[Jennifer (Legislative Counsel)]: him in case

[Senator Pat Brennan]: he's Is this the same finger? It is.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: And it is not the same Band Aid. I then rotate, but I only see to the end here with the crocodile glove Band Aid.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I love those Band Aids. These are great. Yeah. I had a lot of Star Wars band aids. Winnie the Pooh band aid. Yeah. There you go through that video. Miss it. Band aids now are so boring at all revised.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: I was right there.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I got no Exciting band.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: My records officer, Brandon, just immediately went into, I can't wait to get a copy right now of this from Disney about this report. Okay.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I think we are set. I hope does anyone know of any other amendments? We have three minutes to discuss any other amendments to either of these bills. No other amendments? Okay. Good. I think these are good amendments. And so, you know, this is good. I don't know why it's next year to fix them. We'll see what the house does do it all. Tucker, I would love to are you fixing something? Would love to set aside some time so that we could crack for the alcohol bill. If you're actually here Tuesday and Wednesday, might we help you to walk through the alcohol bill? Yes, and

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: I actually believe that might already be penciled in from a few weeks ago because I did fly during an agenda planning. Yeah, you did. I where the alcoholic beverages bill lands. I don't know why I had you leaving today, but there we are, I did. I mean, you're giving me five minutes notice of my termination. Alright, I'll just add that you're not termination. Parent Just leave.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: And then from that woman on, there is no parental leave because once a parent, always a parent.

[Senator Kesha Ram Hinsdale]: So one gift forever. You are your Windsor, right?

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Gorgeous.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Thank you. So we're booking you in to walk us through the, the alcohol bill, which is in a word, lots of things for consideration. Is it a big bill?

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: A modest bill. It is not a big bill to walk through. Okay. No. No.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I don't mean in terms of length. I mean, are there some heavy lifts in it or is it

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: pretty standard? About half of the bill is conforming cleanup within Title VII requested by the Board of Liberal Lottery and the ALL. There's the one change in there that actually was in the use in the Senate that is the most substantive discussion, and that's about the, relay of being located. The line.

[Senator Pat Brennan]: Yeah.

[Tucker Anderson (Legislative Counsel)]: And having higher servant sizes at those locations. Great. That's fine. The Deairdre, you can limit. Okay, great. Thank you.

[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: That's okay. Okay. Thank you, Tucker. Have a great weekend. In preparation for life change. We are turning gonna turn the country walking through the landlord tenant bill. So take a stretch, everybody. Why don't we go off live until Cam gets