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[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Okay, Alison, what would you like to do?
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Are we live?
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Yep.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay, great. It just doesn't show up on my Zoom. Thank you. Again, thank you very much for accepting the cap. Thank you very much for accepting the increment. Our memory and our understanding of the sunset is that at 04:25, you accepted no sunset for TIFF. And we would be happy to go back and look at that tape, but that was our understanding. We were sunsetting Chip at two thousand and thirty five and that, I apologize, and let me just finish, and that you had agreed to no sunset for TIF. That was our understanding as we went into that further discussion.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Senator Klarson, can I add something? Sure. We also have the 07:45 tape where you repeated, we appreciate you letting go of the sunset. We're happy to play both of those right now.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: But understanding is, but really I don't think it matters.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: It does matter.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: What matters is whether we can reach agreement and we're here.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: What matters is that you were not coming. Actually
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Is anyone? What? Keisha. Keisha, just We cannot walk away right now. Let's go back. What matters is, just just to clarify, we understood it was our understanding that you said at some point to us that with no cap, you were willing to let go of and and you were willing to agree to the chip, to the TIF sunset. Then we went back and said that we we did a counteroffer to you. Right? Yep. And our counteroffer was with a cap, you know, our cap, but we would let go of the tiff sunset. So with 40,000,000, no tiff sunset.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I'd like us to reclaim the tape
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: on the record. With 40,000,000, no tiff sunset. With your with a cap, with no cap, we understood you saying, okay. We can have a TIFF sunset. Whatever our understandings or mutual understandings are, we are now agreeing to a cap that is five times what we proposed and in return we are asking for the TIF sunset at two thousand and thirty five, which is five years further out than we first proposed. And I don't care what the tape says, that's what we're offering you. I mean, you know, if there was a mutual misunderstanding, could. So that is oh, damn.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Sorry.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So, think that, so that is your offer at the moment. I think we're gonna have to weigh that for a minute if you're not willing to review where you were. And I appreciate the fact that you thought things had shifted and I think we thought that was firm, the no sunset. So I think we are gonna have to discuss this and figure out where we are. Think give us another 10 and
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: we will.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: So team, let's reconvene with our, and let's reconvene.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I think it's productive for us to play the tapes on the record.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: We don't need to. And there's a lot of discussions about different points. So, the point is, here's the offer. If you don't accept it, then come back with a different offer.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Okay. So, the offer on the table
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Our offer is on the table. Offer is on the table.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Our We offer is made it to you. We have
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: it written down. Offer is- I'd to be clear.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: The offer on the table at the moment, of the three points that we were still working on was 75.85 per minute, the $200,000,000 cap, and you would now like to reintroduce the sunset at two thousand and thirty five and align Chip and Tif sunset at two thousand and thirty five. That is the one point, obviously, because the other two, we are grateful for your agreeing to that. We are gonna have to go and discuss the sunset.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I actually think we should make sure we're not in disagreement about anything else in case this should happen again.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Right. Because this
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: is I'm going to
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: think that there
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: are two ways to do that. Mhmm. One is, as I said, I ran through I ran through the major points, you know, the increment retention 75, 85.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: So we are in full agreement on that.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Well, this is a package. It's all in here. Right? And the second is affordable exception, but not by four, but not next, the ten years for report back, etcetera. Okay. So if we reach agreement Mister chair,
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: may I suggest that because
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: it's all written in here Yeah. Take these there's no points that we may have to dispute later. Hold
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: on one sec. I I
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Can you email it? I need to email it to Don.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I agree. This is today at 12:30.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Yeah. This is our This is your proposal. What we proposed. Right.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Okay. You could have just let that. Suggest we have a recess so the Senate conferees can have a chance to
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Right. Alison,
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: if you wanna stay here, we can go through it with Cameron, and then we can
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: Well, I suggest you do just what you do. Go back to the room and
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: Yeah. We can on, Alison.
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: We can leave. Thank you.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: I I can call
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: let you have the room.
[Senator Alison Clarkson (Chair)]: Yourself. I'll call you and Chris on your cells.
[Senator Randy Brock (Vice Chair)]: I think you should stay here so we can see you as we
[Unidentified House conferee (lead negotiator)]: go along. Okay. In that case, every