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[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Thank you. Welcome everybody to House Committee on General Housing, and it is still Wednesday, April 29. We are now back to S three twenty eight. We heard a little testimony this morning, and we're now into final discussion and possible vote. We had draft 3.1 previously, and we now have a draft 4.1 to incorporate some universal design into the bill as it is. And what I'd like to have, I guess, at the moment Cameron, do you want to get it up and get that language up so we have it? We all have it in hard copy, but just Great, is that it? Yeah, page Okay. Do I have a motion, just so we have a motion on the table here?

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: 4.1. Yes, sir.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Okay, we have a motion. Second. We have second even though we don't need it. We need it. There we

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: So, we're in four. 4.1. Four one. Okay.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Can I just ask a question for So why did we keep universal design in addition to visitable and adaptable? Just because it expands the universe even more to handle.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: That's why, do you remember I

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: asked the question? I think we should remove the universal design work I as think that it's narrow as possible. Yeah. Okay. Okay,

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: so Tom, can you accept a friendly amendment that we Or withdraw your motion?

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: Or whichever Yes, I

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Let's free make a motion. Get it up there, Cameron, so we can skip it. You're doing work on the flyers. Doing

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: gonna do this right there.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: 4.2.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Real time.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Okay. So, while he's doing that, I want to take us back up to page seven. Okay.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: I think that reads better too. Yeah.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Okay, so we're gonna bring this to a vote. Mary, is the clerk Mary, do you have a vote sheet? I do.

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: Look at that. Marc. It's a good question. Just wanted to have a discussion.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: I'm not saying we can't have a discussion, but go ahead. No.

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: Okay, Alex sent language via email right about lunchtime,

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: where we might do I'm not gonna, at this point, there's some issue as to whether the administration really wants to do this, all of this, but I've met with the treasurer and we're looking at it, and I just don't think we can deal with it now.

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: Okay. But this allows them to make what arrangement Yeah.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: This is this is yes.

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: That's it. Okay.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: K. Alright. When I know a little more, I'll come back to the Yeah. So any discussion before we vote on this?

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Clerk, could you call the roll? Representative Bartley?

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Yeah.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Representative Burrows?

[Elizabeth Burrows (Member)]: Yes.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Representative Carlton? Representative Dodge? Yes. Representative Dolgin? Yes. Senator Howard votes? Yes. Representative Krasnow?

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Yes.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Representative Lamoille, are you sure that you haven't voted? I thought you voted three times on No.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: But she's here. She's here.

[Saudia LaMont (Member)]: Yes. She's in person. I'm not on No. But I've only done two, but I'm not online.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Oh, okay. Alright. Representative of month? Yeah. Representative Parsons? No. Representative Pezzoille? Yes.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Joan has a reason. I happen to

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: know he has a reason. Representative Mihaly? Yes.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Okay.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: 1010.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: And you have those 42, correct? 42, right. Okay, now, and it's 428 and we'll, so Tom

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: No, V four. It's 4.2,

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: oh, what's the other V at the bottom? It be V5?

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: No, it'll be version four still. Okay. 2.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: 4.2, okay. Tom, are you willing to report this? I'm willing to report this. Okay. So I believe you wanna hand that to Tom so he's got what he needs, and Miriam will send you what you need. My feeling always is after I send clerk, to stop Nigel, I go over and find him just so he knows. One of the issues I wonder about is if it goes on notice tomorrow, vote on Friday. We'll raise this with the clerk whether we really want to accelerate getting into the summit. So getting into ways and means, we're getting pretty tight.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Yes? Did you, we voted on this, just as the way it stands, did you happen to get that information about fire code?

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: Fire safety? I talked to Damian Leonard who covers building codes for us in our office, he's a transportation attorney, so he would cover anything, fire safety codes related, and I just asked the general question, and he said, yes, there are certain aspects of the fire safety code that single residential dwellings have things. Okay. But if you had a more specific question about what, I would ask you to reject it. Okay.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Okay, let's talk about tomorrow, everyone. So we have a field trip, and I think I have taken but why don't we just go around and make sure we have transportation? Debbie's not coming, Tom's coming here, Leonora's going direct.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: I'm coming in late, so I won't do your response.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: You won't go, okay. Emilie is going direct, you're going to go, are you going to the field trip?

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: No, because no one's leaving from here, right?

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Yeah, I'm leaving from here and I'll take Tom. If Mary's here, I'll take Mary, but I can take that forth easily,

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: I'm very going to be there.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: You

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: can hop in our car on my way back. You can go with one car and come back in another. But

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: I'll come here. I'll be here Yeah, by eight

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: if you wanna leave your car here, I'll text the Rutland in the morning. We both play it by ear.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Right, I'll leave here, Saudia, I'll leave

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: here at 08:45. Okay, I thought we had

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: to be there at nine.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Wait. It's forty five minutes. We have to be there at

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: 09:30. We have to be there at 09:30. Okay, I thought we had to be there at nine

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Okay. Well, we don't have to be there at 09:30. Thirty.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Well, but I let's shoot for 08:45 departure from here, and let's shoot to me at 09:30. Yeah.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: I I would also the two people that I asked if they would be available, I didn't tell them none.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Yeah, but I just want to allow time for everybody

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: to get lost. If there's two residents, if

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: you feel like talking to them, what it's like to live in a co op, they said they would be available.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Elizabeth isn't coming, Mary may come here or may not, and you're there, and our committee assistant is busy running Commerce. And I take it you're too busy to come on our field trip.

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: I will not be with you tomorrow.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: I know what you're doing. I

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: said I'm

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: just here. Yeah, know what you're doing. Yeah, really, my condolences. Anyway, I think at this point, and then tomorrow afternoon after the floor, we have nothing at this point. We'll see. We'll see what's going on, okay, but at this point, we have nothing.

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: So what is the schedule tomorrow? Where

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: are we going first? Okay, we're gonna go first to the mobile, the manufactured home community, limited equity cooperative community, what's the name of it? Westbury.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Westbury. And then Franklorex is after that. Maybe it's what Oh, I don't know, but I can get there. So can you let

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: us know?

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Well, how about I can get there? But she the rest of us still. Should Mary Howard, Mary Mary

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: map, a Google map Oh, for that's true. Mary Okay. Is there any trick we should know in terms

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: of getting to Westbury? It's super easy.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: So easy. What exit do we take?

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Should they do Richmond and then get on the Cirque? 11? No, I don't. I do. I know. I would take whatever Google tells me

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: to take.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: The Wilson Hotel is

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: how you

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: would take Eleven Yeah, which

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: is the Richmond exit, and it's very easy. Just You on and on until you get to the Cirque entrance, get on that Cirque, which is like, what is it, one, it's 289, and then you get up at the last off where it ends, and you go, you take a left on 280, and then an immediate right on Susie Wilson Road, on Susie Wilson. Yeah, they're good stuff. And then you take a right again on Severance. No, it's not called Severance, it's called

[Mary E. Howard (Clerk)]: Kellog Road. Yes,

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Cameron. Do you want to let me go? I

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: may not see you again for a while. Well, I don't have any more

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: bills that It's like if I don't need to be here, I'm have some fun.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: We'll find a reason.

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: We'll find a We'll We'll

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: reason. Don't worry. Get And if we actually get it together for a committee dinner or a committee lunch, which we haven't, we'll let you know.

[Thomas "Tom" Charlton (Member)]: Please do. Okay. I'll see you again. I just got to make sure this fills out, so now the senate. Right? Okay. Thanks so much.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Okay. So I think having figured out our o, we are is there any last comment before we do the a word?

[Emilie Krasnow (Ranking Member)]: Just yay for That's yay. Yay.

[Marc Mihaly (Chair)]: Okay. So we're in the hands of the senate in some ways. So we are adjourned.