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[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: Okay, Alison, what would you like to do?
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: Are we live?
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: Yep.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: Okay, great. It just doesn't show up on my Zoom. Thank you. Again, thank you very much for accepting the cap. Thank you very much for accepting the increment. Our memory and our understanding of the sunset is that at 04:25, you accepted no sunset for TIFF. And we would be happy to go back and look at that tape, but that was our understanding. We were sunsetting Chip at two thousand and thirty five and that, I apologize, and let me just finish, and that you had agreed to no sunset for TIFF. That was our understanding as we went into that further discussion.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: Senator Clerksen, can I add something?
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: Sure.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: We also have the 07:45 tape where you repeated, we appreciate you letting go of the sunset. We're happy to play both of those right now.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: You know what? Our understanding is but really, I don't think it matters.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: It does matter.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: What matters is whether we can reach agreement and we're here.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: Right. What matters is that you were not coming. Actually,
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: excuse me. What? What? Keisha. Keisha, just We cannot walk away right now. Let's go back. What matters is, just just to clarify, we understood, it was our understanding that you said at some point to us that with no cap, you were willing to let go of and and you were willing to agree to the chip, to the TIF sunset. Then we went back and said that we we made a counteroffer to you. Right? Yep. And our counteroffer was with a cap, you know, our cap, but we would let go of the TIF sunset. So with 40,000,000,
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: no sunset. I'd like us to replay the tape on
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: the record.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: With 40,000,000, no TIFF sunset. With your with a cap, but no cap, we understood you saying, okay, we can have a TIFF sunset. Whatever our understandings or mutual understandings are, we are now agreeing to a cap that is five times what we proposed, and in return we are asking for the TIF sunset at two thousand and thirty five, which is five years further out than we first proposed. And I don't care what the tape says, that's what we're offering you. I mean, you know, if there was a mutual misunderstanding, it could. That's that's the real stuff. So that is oh, damn. Sorry.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: So that is your offer at the moment. I think we're going to have to weigh that for a minute if you're not willing to review where you were. And I appreciate the fact that you thought things had shifted, I think we thought that was firm, the no sunset. So I think we are gonna have to discuss this and figure out where we are. I think give us another
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: and 10 we will.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: So team, let's reconvene with our, and let's reconvene.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: I think it's productive for us to play the tapes on the record.
[Unidentified chair (male)]: We don't need to. There's a lot of discussions about different points. So, the point is, here's the offer. If you don't accept it, then come back with a different offer.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: Okay. So, the offer on the table
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: Our offer is on the table.
[Unidentified chair (male)]: Offer is on the table. Our Our
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: offer is that we made it to you. We have it written down. Offer is I'd to be clear.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: The offer on the table at the moment, of the three points that we were still working on was $75.85 the $200,000,000 cap. And you would now like to reintroduce the sunset at two thousand and thirty five and align Chip and Tif sunset at two thousand and thirty five.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: Is the one
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: obviously, because the other two, we are grateful for your agreeing to that. We are going to have to go and discuss the sunset.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: I actually think we should make sure we're not in disagreement about anything else in case this should happen again. Right. Because this is really I think that
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: there are two ways to do that. Mhmm. One is, as I said, I ran through I ran through the major points, you know, the increment retention 75, 85.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: So we are in full agreement on that.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: Well, this is a package. It's all in here. Right? And the second is affordable exception, but not sure about four, but not next, the ten years for report back, etcetera. Okay. So if we reach agreement Mister chair,
[Unidentified chair (male)]: may I suggest that because
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: it's all written in here Yeah. Take these there's
[Unidentified chair (male)]: no points that we may have to dispute later.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: Yeah. No. It's all written in here. Hold hold on one sec. I I Can you email it?
[Unidentified chair (male)]: I need to email it to
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: them. Agree. This is today at 12:30.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: Yeah. This is
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: our memorial proposal. You could have just let that.
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: I
[Unidentified chair (male)]: suggest we have a recess so the senate conferees can have a chance to
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: Right. Allison,
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: if you wanna stay here, we can go through it with Cameron, and then we
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: can Well, I suggest you do just what you do. Go back to the room and Yeah.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: We can Thank you.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: I can call
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: let you have the room.
[Sen. Alison Clarkson]: Yourself. I'll call you and Chris on your cells.
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: I think you should stay here so we can see you
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: as
[Unidentified conferee or counsel (likely House side)]: we go
[Unidentified negotiator (likely Senate side)]: over this. In that case, every