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[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Five. Alright. This is the senate. This is h the h nine five five conference committee. We're back after a break and talking amongst ourselves.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: I think it's in court of the house. Great, thanks. So yeah, we spent some time together, essentially reading back through the side by side, sort of, again, sort of gonna share the appreciation of all of us contributing. There's a nice package of language here. I think what we'll do is sort of go through this in a very fast page by page way, and just sort of talk about the areas where we're ready to see to the language that the Senate has put in here. And that will allow Legg Council to sort of track it and modify as needed. So does that sound like an okay plan? Sure. Okay, so starting on page one, findings and intent language, no problem there, although we did comment that usually the Senate doesn't do a lot of intent language. Good catch. Moving on to page four, saying something of the language on page four. Moving into sort of mapping time, I thought maybe it's when we get into mapping time, we can talk about that probably when we were bringing tomorrow. But I just would note that choice that you made is actually one that we also discussed a fair bit, especially since we had on the committee Grand Isle representative and a Milton representative. And it mostly had to just do with water and bridges. That the services that funnel up to the islands come from sort of the Milton's Colchester areas north. And that's because that's where the bridges, that's where the population center is. The only other bridge is way up north, going over toward Albert. So I just and I'm not bringing this up as a vote of contention, but just I was reminded as I was looking at going, now why did we do that? That's it. Anyway, so sort of holding on some of the mapping stuff, except to say the addition of the career technical centers that are independently governed. I appreciate that addition. Moving on to page 11. Are you still meeting? Oh yeah. We're on a break right now. Oh, sorry?

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: No, we're done. You're done.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Eleven, the part in yellow, I think we're fine with, but I would just throw out for a conversation. We could open this to leave up to the CISOs to decide however they wanna do it. Actually, they would probably do it in a manner that is similar to this. So basically, we are fine with that language, but in case we wanna discuss it further.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: So it's seating and that's when you were doubting yourself, I think.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Yes. Alright. Okay. CESA membership adjustment proposals. Appreciate the addition to this and accepting that.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Regular sections. Section two a on page I

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: was getting ahead of that. But yes. Okay. Yes. You know, sort of the reworking of the language here, fine with that.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Can I ask a question about the sec actually, I should have

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: It's your section, so sure?

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Asked you. I said I wasn't involved in doing most of this. But this would take this expansion of their services to include professional development curriculum, transportation facilities. Start place on sevenonetwenty seven. Is that the correct

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: date? Okay. I just No.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Wait. No. I I was just going with one, but I hadn't thought about the date.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: So I'm a little concerned that will they have will they be able to I'm

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: releasing the date.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: In the brief. Yeah. And I'm just wondering if the CISAs Think about that's, like, less than a year than they've gotten up and running to have them being able to do seven different things.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: So I would, not to debate your addition of language. That's right. But in here and in another spot, it does say when requested and when approved by the CISA. So I suppose that they weren't ready to

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Oh, I see. That's probably

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Okay. I

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: just didn't want to overwhelm them in their fear that they're suddenly trying to figure out how they do all of these things. Because transportation in particular, I think it's going be a really hard one to figure out. But as long as there's an out for them, I think it's okay. I meant to ask you when we were

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: in our

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: That's okay. Okay. That's have section two b. That's just. Needs to happen. Okay, we are on pages fifteen and seventeen, and this is the section 13. We just were on the right side there, this that we were having a discussion about good faith and bad faith, as both terms are used. I'm not sure we needed to define it, but I do sort of wonder, presenting this on the floor, if somebody says, is there a definition for it? Or is it a you know it when you see it? Because we say, we refer to good faith here, but then under the school construction, we talk about back in bad faith when they wanna be consistent.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Yeah, and I will admit that John and I had a debate about this good faith versus bad faith something, and sort of good faith is the default. You assume that everybody here is acting in good faith. I just got up and walked out and yelled at you all. Then you'd be like, oh, well, that's bad faith. It's like you know it when you see it, but it's hard to define what it is. But I don't know. It has caused

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: lots of questions.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: John's gonna want to add some thoughts.

[John (Legislative Counsel)]: John, great. You let the pencil. Just one thing that Senator Erin Brady and I discussed with whether to define or not is that if you do define what bad faith participant is, essentially people give the roadmap as to how to misbehave.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Oh,

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: mean, we are-

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: That was the point that convinced me not to define it.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: I love that.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Oh, okay. And it's a facilitator's decision, right, as to whether they're acting in good faith. And later on, when we talk about bad faith, this is really kind of just a lawyer language question. Is the opposite of good faith, faith, or is it not in good faith?

[John (Legislative Counsel)]: I would distinguish bad faith from not in good faith. I think there's space between that. Bad faith is think of it as almost like you were saying something you recognize. It is a discretionary call, but someone could act in a sort of neutral manner maybe and not be a bad faith participant. I think bad faith is like a strong term is the way that it sounds to me.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Can I ask? So would bad faith not we're not calling for sort of rule making or defining on this?

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: No. We've got a red bell.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: This is just the floor being called back to session. It takes

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: a really long time to get everyone back at this hour.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Yeah.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Would bad faith basically implicitly need to

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: be defined by AOE in order to do their work? No, I think what John was saying is the reason why we decided not to define it is because if you define acting in bad faith, then you tell people how to be Okay.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Kind of avoid.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: What to avoid. Like, oh, as long as I sit at the table, as long no, then I'm not acting in bad faith. Right.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Still section 13, pages eighteen and nineteen for you.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Was that us keeping it open or us?

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: I guess if it requires further discussion by anybody, I wasn't I was being neutral on it.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Okay. Cool. I was just trying to I wasn't trying to guide you in

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: any regard. I think it was happening, I was just letting, let's look.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: I had to get my heart closure. Okay.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Pages Okay. Eighteen and nineteen, this is essentially you all tightening up the reporting process, which we can agree with. On to, if we're still in section 13, we're on page 20. This was a legal question I had, this is not a question of whether we agree or disagree. I was just curious to ask, if we talked about whether a CTE shall dissolve, but an independently governed CTE that is its own school district, can it dissolve without a vote of the electorate?

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: As St. Jana's office, no, there's a whole separate process for that in chapter 37. But this is an analysis of whether it should dissolve. So it's not

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: a It was a question that popped into my head as I was saying that, what does it mean to dissolve?

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: And there would still be a vote to dissolve it.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: All right. Over to 21, and I'm just gonna call this out in appreciation of the sort of emphasis on isolated districts that pops up here from time to time. And we agree with the language that's there. I would say section 13 a. Also calls out isolated districts, but in this case it's the eligible school districts. These are the ones who don't want to be picked for the team, think. Is that correct?

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Yes. Well,

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: this one is for the districts that have wanted to merge,

[John (Legislative Counsel)]: but they need to get

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: picked to but need on the process for doing that. And they can now come in for it with a charter change.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Up to 13, which is the moratorium, would you just talk a moment about that that and being put in?

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Yeah, when we were talking through the pieces that needed to happen to make sure we have the playing field set for school districts to discuss mergers if districts are leaving one district. And just there could be a lot of ins and outs and wanting to say, okay, this is where we're starting the map and districts can merge from there rather than having districts leaving in order to merge somewhere else or to avoid merging.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: That's why I just didn't come back with 2035, that sort of matches up with the full-

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Exactly, that matches up with the foundation formula basically being in effect. So then districts will know at that point what their financial situation is as well. And then they can move if they feel like they want to at that point, but-

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: It's a process if district wants to move from a unified district.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: There's a whole process in chapter 11 to withdraw from a district. Okay, it's there to help. Now there is a whole other process. But

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: if things get rearranged, we wanna make sure there's flexibility.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Yeah. Okay, the Secretary of State report, very important. Membership which is from ICT. Yeah. Okay.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: I think it would I I guess I would offer here I'm sorry. This is a surprise. We didn't talk about this before. It's a question of if we want to instruct that the governor's recommend includes this in its budget, which is something that we do.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Sure.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: So yeah. Because that's

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: So It would be something

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: be the, the, FY '28 budget. '28 budget. Right? FY? Yes. The FY. Yeah. We're doing the '27 budget.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: So FY '20 yeah. Yes. Because if we don't get this until we're fairly far along in the budget process when when we get this report, and I know they want longer to actually work, make the report, but the actual number could be in the governor's recommend. So there's space.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Yeah, concern is, I talked to the Secretary of State about this report. And this was back when we were still planning on November '28. So I think that was an even harder thing to coordinate the November election with these. But they requested a January 15 date because they're running an election this year and don't have time to think about the next election when they're trying to run this election.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Rather than moving the date up on the report to just ask that the number itself be part of the governor's recommend, and then we also get the report.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: But we'll we won't know the number until

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: This is the recommended treatment.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Which is, like, a week before that. Why don't we say something like the governor's recommended budget shall include an estimated amount or something like that? Because I don't know. I mean, we could I understand. I think that makes sense. I just didn't I don't want to put the cart before the horse with the Secretary of State's report. Because if the governor puts some money in, and then the Secretary of State is like, actually, no, it's going to be this amount, then there's this All

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: right, let's keep on saying that it doesn't they're not huge. Okay.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: All right, we're at section 14, guidance for committee groupings. Again, this is sort of mappy stuff that we probably need to do a little bit of a detailed discussion on. However, the inclusion of the CPE centers. Okay. Which now brings us to 15. And again, just wrote the word definition because that's where the current database. I appreciated the discussion we've had about that. Page thirty, second security a, again, calling out attention to isolated districts. Certainly accept that. Changing the it's a merger.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Here's what we have. Just this. I believe that's a seed event. Just wondering whether should there be a determination by the board based on what facilitator said that it was actually bad faith? So there's some What if they said, No, we didn't.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: We haven't gotten to that part.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: What sort of the appeal process?

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Or keep it maybe simple. I'm just saying the board show based on the facilitators. Whether there's a board show or something. I don't know. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe I'm worrying about it too much.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Let's worry about it next year.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Well, I mean, will have already started to work.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: They will start to work, but they won't be making much

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: of I don't want to make it a big deal. I thought if we could just do a quick change and have the board actually make the final decision to make the equipment.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Alright. Let's talk about it.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Yeah. Merger. Okay. We are up to the date changes. So just thirty? Well, now I'm I'm up to section 18. We didn't do 16, did I? Wait. Did I jump over something?

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: I thought we accepted 16. It's gonna be

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: February, except in '17 as well?

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Yeah. Yes. We're just just changing.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Okay. Perfect. Right. We're just trying to be tight. Sorry.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Thank you. It's okay. Okay. Alright. We'll let me just So it's just the move up of the date to 2030. We're gonna need to have a

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: longer conversation on the date.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: So, yeah, it's

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: just kinda

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: But the other language in here separate from that. This is the contingency

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Mhmm.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Which we well, let me take it open for a little while. And then section 18 a, 19, we're moving to It's

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: the widgets.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: We're now on section 24. Yes? Am I jumping ahead? Okay. And this, we also need to continue discussing. Just Let me really understand how it can work. Alright.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: So that's good. We're up to 27.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Delightful edits.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Intro digit budgeting. No changes there. Up to 29, average grade size. I would describe us as just needing to think on this a little bit more. And frankly, we had a very brief discussion about it. Think we think that the approach is probably the right approach. We just, we want to

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: think about the number. Meaning the approach on grade. Yeah, yeah.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: This brings us up to 29A, which is the removal of the definitions. Going to hold there as well. And move a lot of things forward if we have it in there, but we're just giving it more thought. Class size minimums coming into being. Let's hold on that for more discussion as well. There it is. 30, I think we're about to go through a whole part of the language. We're going to keep going.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: So moving on to text stuff. Essentially all of the text language. Great. Thank you. I would love if whoever is on finance next year won't be you.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Won't be me.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: I do think this appeals problem is one that we need to solve, but I don't know if this bill is still a place we're gonna solve it. Mhmm. Yeah. Or not appeals. I'm sorry. Mistakes, basically. Oh, oh, okay. Mistakes. That's the only piece that I but it's

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Is this the

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: sort of it's was slightly outside the scope of the bill in the first

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: place and certainly outside the scope of this committee of conference to resolve. So I just wanna say, like, hey. Please work on that next year. Or not?

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: No. This is Europe.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: I'm all the way.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: At 58. Right? Oh, wow.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: 58. Yeah.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: So there'll be a lot there. Thanks.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Tell us where you're at.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: I am moving. 58 or 59 is fine. I am now at school construction. And what I think we would say here is really so appreciate how much you strengthen the process and the language timelines and all of that here. Want to sit down comparing the numbers and how they fit together once John's been able to put together that little document on it. And then just wanna make sure that we are closing any late loopholes that we have to make sure that there isn't we're not just sort of trapping anyone without getting any districts that aren't gonna get their needs met. That sort of every year is subject to either the yield bill rules for the nine fifty five rules, one or the other. But those are the two places that we might want to make changes, just the percentages and dates. The rest of it's great.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: You. Thank you. The one thing that And I think this is what Seth was talking about, and that we were back to the conversation about bad faith, is Where is it? Does it show up?

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Is somewhere in here. Yes. It's on page 79, sectional 74 of legacy debt age.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Okay. So the one thing that this would be the facilitator making the determination about a bad faith participant.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: And that's where we would want an appeal.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: And I was yeah. I mean, they maybe there could be an appeal to the secretary. Yep. That makes sense.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: To the board.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: That makes sense.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: We can figure that out. Okay.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: You know? Because it's a lot to have one person decide, and the stakes are fairly high. Mhmm. I mean, I think it's a good provision to have because I don't think people should, you know, come to these and be a jerk about it. Mhmm. But

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: that could be bad blood or something. And so let's keep on working on dates, percentages, and appeals for that. Warning language. I'm moving through Section 77A. Agreeing with you on that.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: We've backed up. Sorry. This is just a question that popped up as we were I'm on page eighty one and eighty two.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Oh, that's not a question. Great. Oh.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: We were talking about language that would sort of say, here's what your rate would be. That's maybe something a little bit more interesting. Tax rate would be if you got 30%, here's what you would be if you got 75%. I'm just sort thinking back to the old days. Actually, that's a hard vote to have if you don't actually know what you're getting. It's just a good idea that in old days, you knew how much you were getting before you voted on a bond.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Right, and this was partly, as John has said a few times, orders of operation. So they may want to go out for their bond vote to the voters so that they know what they've been approved before they can apply. They have to know what they're applying for before they get state aid. So they can get the full cost of the program approved by the voters, but then do what we often do is say, well, we're going to get a grant or we're going to get the state aid to cover the rest of it. So this is attempting to tell voters what the sort of

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: range of state aid could be. So it's just the way I would imagine it is, you know, Woodstock just passed this, like, really interesting after, like, a lot of years, was able to pass something that looks a lot like Right.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: So you're really it's it's almost like a contingency goal.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Like, it's like it. Okay. Yeah.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: I'm going three boardings, one being on transitions, I think. And we've talked about that we need to talk dates and contingencies. Your change for the tasks of the education finance oversight are, I think, a really interesting way them in the loop of the regular happenings of the process, which they could get detached from without this. And another check on making sure the legislature fully funds the foundation formula.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: It's really artful. Thank you. That was why we added it.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: That's it. Yeah. Beth?

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Things down a little.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Yeah. Do you guys, do you want to talk maps now, or is

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: that a tomorrow? It probably should be a tomorrow project, so I just need a little more looking. So maybe tomorrow, if you could talk about the whys within the grouping guidance, that would be helpful and including the, let's say there's also a number difference. We have 21 of the data that at 18 with it. Think that'd be great. Same with the whys and the one sees a change. I would say this, all of my questions would be, as we look through it is, well, you know, in some of the areas, why were the changes made? And then maybe we all should talk a little bit more about Chittenden County where we ended up with ours having more mergers or fewer standalone, don't need to merge districts than yours did. Anyway, that's all. So I wonder if

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: at our first meeting tomorrow, we could do maps. We could attempt to close maps and attempt to close school construction for, like, first meeting of the morning

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Sure.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Of the day. Sure. Okay. That feel doable or overlandishes?

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Yeah. Depending on what close. Because in the end, we've had everything to be a package. So we did this last year, notion of closure.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: A pencil closure rather than a pen closure.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Absolutely. I see. Pencil closure.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Yeah. Is

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: there are these maps available on our

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: website? Yes. Okay. And these are these should be noted. Those are the

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: maps that we gave.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: These are the CISA maps?

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: That's the CISA. That's the senate CISA and that's the senate.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Okay.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Thank

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: you.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Alright. Okay. Yeah. And you'll you'll need to tell us, like, what's incorrect on this as well. I'm guessing it's like After we have to compare. Pain Mountain or something. Pain got moved. Yes. We

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: on part of the request to move in Mountain, so we did. And we moved to lot of districts because we got a trust to move. So I don't remember them all, but a lot of our maps are based on testimony. It's the real

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: And I will also throw out there that John Adams or one of the people in his office stand ready to help us if we need to actually

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Thank you for making sure that we're available. Thank you. Also, your iPhone was in the same time last night. You can see it's not a good

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: I'm I'm listening to you. So I have a. I have a card.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Okay.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Okay. And I it'll be if I texted Trevor. I don't think anything.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: I think we're tied up. We're tied up

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: eight to nine, and we're tied up yield from nine.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Senate count.

[Sen. Ruth Hardy (Chair, Senate Education)]: Thanks. I wonder if we could do ten fifteen.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: Let's just see if the Senate count and gave birth. Spencer and I are probably only flexible. But yes, theoretically, unless we really It's not posted yet. Okay.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: Yeah. Don't know what's up.

[Sen. Martine Gulick (Vice Chair, Senate Education)]: Why don't we say yes?

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: 1015.

[Rep. Erin Brady (Ranking Member, House Education)]: 1015. 1015.

[Rep. Peter Conlon (Chair, House Education)]: 15? Okay. That's fine. And?