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[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay. House education. April 1, continuing our work on act 73 changes and improvements. We are back to mapping. So believe it or not, folks, we've made a lot of decisions. We have finalized our CECL lines. We now need to finalize our graphic representation of the guidance for the facilitators. I have been working with a number of people outside to make some guesses as to what we should be putting in for money for the people doing this. So that'll be part of our next iteration. So we're gonna return to our groupings. And what we have heard is that we aren't splitting up SDs because they need to vote as an FD if they're gonna merge. And so we just need to finish up finish up undoing the conflicts that we created in the original version. And so we go to that visual guidance. I can't remember where we left off, but let's kind of work through the other issues. I know we were talking a lot about the sort of Rutland Area District 2 and District 3. I think we had last agreed to just bundle it into one. I'm not sure who Tinmouth, Wallingford, Shrewsbury, and Claire did it belong to, but they're Really?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: They're at.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And floating there in the North Of District 4. Yeah. I don't know who they belong, they are probably their own SD because they're at least not operating for several. I I am fairly confident their student travel tends to be south towards LTE EVA. So not probably not, Tim. Think for North Of District 4, Timmeth Bolingford, who's very fair, but they're not part of Taconics

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: and Green.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I think that the Bell River Supervisory District there is fully operational.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Because we're picking around individual districts now, trying to pick numbers, I'm just trying to expedite the work we're doing. And I had asked Beth whether we have broken CSOs up in a way that preserves each supervisor union or supervisory district, I guess, say both. And we have. So they don't share boundaries. Have boundaries of CISOs go around them. Is there a way that we could move forward with this conversation because it is guidance, not because of anything else? And and these lines that we're working on right now may change as soon as the work starts, which is coming very soon, is there a way we can use supervisory union boundaries to create these maps, supervisory union and supervisory district boundaries to create these maps and allow the changes to happen

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: locally as to who becomes members of those. I guess the question would be to what extent, I don't know if you can do it on there, are we violating SUs?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Beth St. James.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And I would just remind everybody, sort of we have a lot of dueling priorities. I think one of the reasons we have sort of ignored SU lines is in order to build around regional middle schools and high schools. So to the extent we can keep that, I think that works. Isn't that part of our guidance list of priorities we're supposed to

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: be looking, what study committees we're supposed to be looking at? Because I think that language is super important, and I'm not giving you an opinion on what we need to do to help support the work of the study committees. That's something I'd love us to have the conversation about. Just trying SUs and SDs are used to working within, and that might help speed the process.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I mean, we could look at if there's a visual way we can see those conflicts or understand where those conflicts might exist. Because those are probably far more numerous.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay, so Beth St. James Office of Legislative Counsel. Again, I'm going to refer you to the dots under each supervisory union name. Every dot, the color corresponds to the districts or the groups that you have created thus far. So when you see multiple colors, like here, Caledonia Central, there's at least three colors there. So the school districts within Caledonia Central's supervisory union belong to three different groups here.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And so that is where sort of our priorities run into conflict. Right? So I'm assuming that is where we have moved Plainfield at Marshfield into District 23 because they're, at least according to the people I've heard from that area, they're sort of natural if they're gonna go to a bigger regional high school is toward U32. But their SU is very clearly sort of Southern Northeast Kingdom.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So again, I'm going to just say I'm not looking at the map at the moment. My hope is that these study committees will include an initial conversation within the supervisory unions. And when they make the decision of who actually forms the study committee itself, that would happen on the ground there, is what I was saying. I'm really literally thinking about overlapping the lines of supervisory units on a map of the CSOs and just breaking it up that way, and then letting them do it locally. There are going to be people whose natural direction is, but are we the best ones to make that decision, or is it at the study community? As long as they have the criteria in place, what their goals are?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Again, I don't personally have an answer to this, except Alright, so, for example, here's an issue. Twinfield Dean School District, k 12 operating school district. It is part of the Caledonia. And I could be looking at an old CISA map. I don't I don't know if it falls within the CISA.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: don't if we move those lines. I because I'm looking at an older Could could you bring up the season one to 12? And would you find Archfield, Plainfield? I don't think so. Yep, right

[Kate McCann (Member)]: between the green and the yellow. Right up to the right.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Yep. So

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: you've put them in the Northeast region.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Which is where they should be because that's where their SU is.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: You have not other than this errant yellow dot, which I truly

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: have Figured out.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I don't

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: know. The color dots under oh, looks like you've broken up Harvard Union.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It didn't mean to.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: That may just been that may have been me, like a errant click. But otherwise, have not everything looks like you've kept supervisor union boundaries. This is all supposed to be the Winooski Valley region?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yeah. Okay.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: I don't know.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Would you zoom out a bit? Yeah. So in this map, we've maintained SUs. So there's no I'm having trouble coming with a better or worse way of doing this. If we stuck with SU boundaries, you'd have a facilitator coming in, let's just play it

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: out how it would work.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: They would So they would be in that area, just a little noodle here. And then it would be up to people on the ground to undo that grouping and say it makes more sense to do this, which we are totally allowing. Alright. So then why don't we take a look at what would happen if we did that?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Am I have done all I can for you with my mapping capability. Great. I'm not sure I could easily

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: These are

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: all for you right now.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: No. No. This would be alright. I think so let's continue walking through then where we have split SUs.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Do you wanna focus on school districts first and then go to SUs or do you just wanna start with SUs and deal with school districts as they come up? Because you still have school districts that are split.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay, but they're probably part of the same SU. So if we're gonna

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Oh, sure.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: So if we're gonna correct for SU boundaries, that they will be put back together. Sure.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: And I did not bring my school directory, so someone's gonna have

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: to help me with Mine's all covered.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Have

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: we gone back to the layer of the guidance map? Is that where Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: All right, let's pause for a moment so we can welcome Welcome to, can we have a seat right up there? Thank you. Thanks for jumping right in.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Thanks for the invite. Welcome, yeah.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Thank you. Case, why don't you take a moment, introduce yourself to us, and then we're gonna do the same for you.

[Case (guest)]: Sure. How deep do you want to

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Childhood. Back to childhood. I say I I would say the correct pronunciation of your school. Sure.

[Case (guest)]: Correct pronunciation is. Or you can call me Case if it kinda slips your mind. That's that's fine too. I I answer to both. I grew up at Burlington, graduating Essex High School, been in the area pretty much all of my life. Played semi pro football for the ice storm. I served in the military for eleven years in a combat tour in Afghanistan. I served four years on the Milton School Board, two years as the chair. I'm currently one of the football coaches at my school, so high school. And career wise,

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I'm in real estate.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: That kinda cover

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: our Pretty well, very much. Yeah. Today.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: You're not gonna get you're and you're not gonna get that much from the rest of us. Emily, why don't you stir this up? Have a seat too. Come join us.

[Emily Long (Member)]: Lovely to meet you. We share a name. Oh, Windham County. Okay. Great smack in the side.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I'm just being here for a while. Legislature. I'm totally here. Welcome.

[Emily Long (Member)]: Thank you, lovely to have your protection. And I I told her this morning I didn't think you were related. Maybe we will before we get to our goals.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Yeah, welcome. I'm Kate, and I'm also an employer. And I teach you when I'm not here.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: I'm Joshua. I represent Williamstown in Chelsea, which is right down the road. It's my first two years here as well. So

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: the school's work better would be. Okay, perfect.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Beth Quimby from Linden. I represent five towns in that area. And I taught math, middle school math for thirty plus years. Recently retiring and came to the legislature as an appointee in March '4, same rough time that you're coming.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Peter Conlon. I'm from Cornwall, which is just outside Middlebury, represent five small towns in Addison County. I'm also a seventeen year school board veteran, ten years in the legislature, always on the education committee, four years is just my fourth year as the chair.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Erin Brady from Williston. I'm not a high school teacher at Colchester High School when I'm not here in my third term, and also spent a long time on the CVSD School Board.

[Jana Brown (Clerk)]: Hi, I'm Jana. I represent the town of Richmond. Also in my sixth year, I'm house education. And when I'm not here, I work in the nonprofit sector.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I'm Robert Hunter. Let's see, I taught high school language for thirty two years, and it's a happy biennium. So I'm some just like everybody else. Oh, I'm from Manchester, and I serve four little towns.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Leanne Harple. I am from the Northeast Kingdom, and I represent four towns in the Northeast Kingdom. I am a high school English teacher,

[Kate McCann (Member)]: and I think that's it,

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I guess. That's all for now.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Hey, Morgan, and you know me. So Beth, since you're such a frequent visitor to our video, I'll have you introduce yourself as well, if you don't mind.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Hi, I'm Beth St. James. I am your nonpartisan legislative council. Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: So we are, I'm gonna this is a good reminder, I'm gonna start wearing my pin again, so we don't have to always get something. Think So not about the committee is in the middle of what has been really our focus since the early January of making changes to Act 73 based on sort of all the feedback that has come through since the end of the last session. And so we are currently in the midst of trying to create guidance on creating newer, larger school districts. So we are working with our legislative council to figure out that language. So you can watch how the sausage is made. It's not pretty. Committee decorum is if you got a question, raise your hand, I'll call on you and if I'm not looking, then you just have to jump in. If you need to get water, use mouth and whatever, just feel free. It's not a dictatorship in here. Pretty much a free fall, so. Right, so everybody back to work because we have two and a half hours till we lose, at least temporarily maybe, our legislative council.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: May not come back.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's alright.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: I feel that way. Yes.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Alright, so the question is, do this and not break up SUs and still achieve what we're trying to achieve? So we are trying to see where we are breaking up SUs and can we put them back together? And I'm gonna keep a list. So one would be to put Plainfield and Marshfield back over in District 11.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Sorry, you guys can do however It's you gonna be really hard for me to jump all around. Can we methodically

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: move through the map? Yes. Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yeah, so nobody say, Hey, down to my way until we get there.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It really will not come back if we start

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: doing that.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Just to be clear, we are looking now at the guidance map for the study.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: right. Yeah. Okay, great. Groups. Groups. Sorry. This

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: is the visual organizer.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. Or maybe we move. I mean, I guess we can I guess we can move with where you've started, which is was down here? So District 1 is Addison Central.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That that's fine.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Addison Northwest does not split at all.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I can tell you that it's all fine. All fine? Okay. All Megan. It's all three four SDs.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: And Mount Abe. So no splits there. So

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: So it was pointed out at a meeting the other day, under every scenario of every map ever made, this is the Addison County still altogether right there.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So then if we jump to your district two Okay, so we've got this light blue color.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Okay.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: We've got Rutland Northeast SU. Rutland City is this. Proctor, that part of So now that should Rutland. Okay. So now we gotta go up to Greater Rutland. So you break up Greater Leland. So there's your first but we've oh, but

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: But we are smooshing back together to three

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: three to to one district. Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Which I think works fine in terms of keeping SUs together. I just don't know enough about Ira, Middletown Springs, Wells if we're breaking up an SU there.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Oh, I have the SU map in front of me. So it looks like SU 66 is Procter, Welland City, Ira, Colton, Middletown Springs, and Wells.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay, that's everybody.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So, but we're combining Districts 2 And 3? Yes. Okay, so I'm just gonna make them all blue. That is a more aesthetically pleasing color. I agree. Okay. So these must be some like, I don't know what it's holding onto here, these dots, but this appears to be Greater Rutland County SU is now altogether in District 2, the new District 2. District 3 is going to sit empty for right now. Yep.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's good. So

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: District 4.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Again, I just don't know where Tinmouth, Wallingford, Shrewsbury, and Clarendon belongs.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Oh, I have Oh, we got So SD number 33 is Clarendon, Shrewsbury, Tinmouth, and Longford.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay, so that's their own place. Yep. We have not split the SU there.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Of course, are alphabetical instead of numerical.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Can I ask a question of area we were just in? Yep. SD number 40 is Brattleboro. Don't

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: know not there yet.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Well, it's right in the middle of

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: this one that we just talked about,

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: which is Bolton and Iron Mountain. No, no.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I'm proud

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: proud of our Southeast. So this is, maybe I'm looking at the wrong one. Probably at the wrong one. Sorry. I'm looking at schools in the district. Can I ask what you're looking at? I'm looking at the supervisory union map.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Oh, it's the map itself. I'm trying to see

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: if we're breaking up any supervisory unions as you're doing that. I'm looking at who's the supervisor.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: They're not in numerical order. No. That's why I grabbed the wrong one.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: The question is, in the rest of District 4, are we keeping SCUs today?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So I'm scrolling up until I am hovering over the color. So you've got Mill River, which appears intact. Bennington, Rutland, SU. So it looks like it's two SUs, Mill River and Bennington, Rutland. So four we're good with?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's the

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: one guess. That would be the Do you care about who the school districts are or you just Do you wanna move on?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Move on.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Okay. The one I was looking at is actually

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. Group five. Brooklyn City. Oh, right.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Of course. Is a city. Yeah. That makes sense. 5

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: is terracotta color.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It's the Southwest. So

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: we've got Southwest Vermont SU, which remains intact. And then we just need to figure out The three there are not. Or Windham Southwest, which you split.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: But we didn't Tennessee something. No.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's easily fixed. Right? You fixed that in the current Sorry, Beth.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: You have not split school districts here. You've just split a supervisor union. So what do you want to do?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: You corrected it yesterday. I don't

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: know why it's showing that way.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: The map that I have that I was given last night is this. So just tell me what to fix it to.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Emily, are doing a C SIB over school district?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I'm looking at John Adams' map, which corrected it there. So I'll just say the three hoops. Terrapate in there should be the aqua color.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: That's the direction I need. All right. So District 6, right?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Yes. Is that what it is? Yes. So

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Steersburg, Reedsboro, and Stamford? That's correct. All right.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So now you've formed Windham's.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So yeah. Windham Southwest is now intact.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Circling up to seven?

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Oh, hold on. It's colored.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I don't know. Let me just say, because of Peter's map, he included Windham Southeast and Windham Southwest together. What you have in Aqua there are Windham Southwest and Windham Southeast. It's fine. They're all each a supervisor union. And it's accurate. Great. Not breaking up.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Just tell me what color

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: You're doing great. The little boxes in.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: You did perfect. We're up to the yellow. Hold

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: on. Group five. So that's the Windham Southeast. Change. Oh, actually, no, you're right. Searsburg.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Those are all Windham's soft books. Yep. And

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: help me understand where Somerset is. Windham's soft book. Okay. It's just not listed.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Because there's only one student. Okay.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It's right. Right.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Because there is one break up in

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: that student. It's a grade six. Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Do you want to do

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: your Marlboro change net? Yeah. Marlboro, in between those two supervised unions is one thing, upper, one to the right, there, right there. That's part of the yellow up above it, which is Windham Central. So if you take that into yellow, that's a supervisory

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Windham Central.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Oh, that's two supervising units. It's Central and Northeast.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: And Marlborough is its own school district, so it's going

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: It's part of the Windham Central Supervisory Union, and it is its own school district.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yeah, it was already anyway. Okay. Yep. It's fine. Okay. So group so between Windham Central and Windham Northeast, you've kept supervisor unions the same. So District 8 or Group 8. Does anyone know what that is while I'm awkwardly scrolling? This gray. Mount Holly, Ludlow.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: When you hover over one of the towns, doesn't tell you

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It does not tell you the school district. Oh, but it does tell you the district. Sorry. It's one about Two Rivers. Oh,

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Two Rivers.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. So Two Rivers SU. And who's this? Springfield. Okay. So you've kept Springfield and Two Rivers SU. Good? So eight is good. And then nine is, I think this is, we'll call it a blue. Can we maybe basing this off with some colors? Automatic. Whatever the coding is. Okay, so Hartford. And then what are these guys? Windsor Southeast. Okay. So you've also got supervisor unions, Intact at nine, group 10. So these non shaded areas are the interstate districts.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So 10.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Where are we looking? Central Vermont. Okay. So that's intact.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's 10?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yeah. We're on 10 now.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I'm just looking on the right side just to see what the student cap is in case.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: This is where you've split Roxbury. Right.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: So we're gonna put that back together.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Who who yeah. Who do you want Roxbury to belong to? The blue? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I need to find blue in District 23. Going back up to 10.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Also looks like we pulled that fur out of Orange East. That furred's currently part of Orange East.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Hold on one area. That furred.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: We're on 10. That's next.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: That furred is part of 10.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Orange Yep. Is up in that kinda grayish blue area.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yep. So where would you like that for it to go?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I think we're gonna try to keep SUs together for the time being. It should stick with its SU then.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So back to 10. White River. White, do not have intact right now.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Oh, right. I can tell you where those are. It's Hancock and Granville to go back into district ten. That's the far left side.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Used to? Hancock and Granville need to be part of district ten?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yes.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: What school district is Hancock in Granville?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It is part of the they have their own school district.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: What are they called?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Granville Hancock. And they're part of White River Valley.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. So we're still checking District ten. Valley, Central Vermont, we already checked. White River Valley. Okay, so it looks like district ten is all intact. District eleven.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Should be fine.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: We've got Orange East SU. And then who's this? Caledonia Central. You've split up three different areas.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I'm looking at an old map. I'm sorry.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Cal Central? That

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: one's you're on number 11. Okay. So we moved that includes the repositioning of Plainfield and Marshfield in there, or do we sort of hold that?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Plainfield and Marshfield now belong to well, wait, no. Who do they belong to?

[Kate McCann (Member)]: They should belong to 11. Where did I want them?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: There we go. Yeah. Okay. So they belong to

[Kate McCann (Member)]: The one that's to the right

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: of To 11.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Right now, Marshfield and Plainfield belong to District 23.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Right. They should be with 11.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Caled Cabot, Peach, and Danville. Right? And now we should be

[Kate McCann (Member)]: No. Because there's still two.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: You're still pretty upset. Three of them.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And to the we start losing up to the northeastern Part

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: of this May maybe me because wall

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: You've got Walden?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Walden Barn at Waterford.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yeah. Yep. Oh, it's back in the barn.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So they need to go back

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: All for the study right, so those three ones that we see You

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: want those to be part of District 11?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Does that make sense? Yes.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I just want to remind us, this is For sure. I know. It may change on the ground when they're forming study plays. Right.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: While I don't think that this drives us more from a sort of big view toward the things that some of the things we're talking about from just a basic understanding for folks, I think this actually helps.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: There's a nice step. Yeah.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Right.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. So we're in District 12 or Group 12. So you've got the Essex Northeast, North SU, which is all intact. Kingdom East, which is all intact. Who's this guy? St. Johnsbury is its own district. And then Orleans Central, you've split. I'd say, I think we've messed with that one.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: We keep coming back to this one, don't we?

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Do you move them into the dark brown or

[Kate McCann (Member)]: the They're

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: currently in Oh, I see. Right, there's blackness too, so which one makes sense? You have any sets of your neck wounds?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yeah, the question is whether to move

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: them into 12 or 13. Where is Lake Regent High School? Said we did It's in New Orleans.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: No, I mean what group is it?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: It's in group number 13, So it makes sense to me to move them into 13 because they're part of that. Let me ask, where is their SU? The SU is the Lake Region Union Elementary and high school. I'm just asking what SUR are big members of.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Right now, we're looking at the Orleans Central Supervisory Union.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: That is the SUR.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yeah, no, it's a question of which district to assign to.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: I

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: think because you've got Lake Ridge

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Right, so you're going to 13, right?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I think 13 is where it belongs.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It's moving Glover and Barton

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: into 13, because all the other towns in that SU are in 13. It

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: keeps the SU together.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: I We have to keep the SU together, right? That's like Non this negotiable?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: No, no, is just to, this is to create the recommended groupings.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: And

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: so, you know, we'll have to put some language on it, but the facilitator goes to their region, which is a CISA region, brings everybody together and says, here's the guidance that we have. What do people think about it? Should we deviate from it?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Right, so I feel like this goes back to my question that I'm super confused about from this morning, which is that we don't need, we can break up already existing districts. Like if Glover was with Brownington and Orleans and Irisburg, they don't have to be in the future. I mean, seemed like you were saying there was a really complicated process for that.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay, we are. So just don't think of a world that exists outside of the current situation. So this map is there to guide a facilitator to start having everybody talk and forming study committees, period. And they are allowed to color outside the lines.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay, so two different towns that were in the same district could still be outside the same study, could be in different study committees.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yes, don't talk about towns, just talk about school districts, because school districts have to end together.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: This is confusing me more. Don't understand what I'm being asked. Because Glover I'm going to say Barton, or Glover and Irisburg are in the same school district.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Right. They aren't going break them apart.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: That they need to be So like, I don't understand what is the choice then, because if Irisburg and Brownington and Albany are in a different study group, wouldn't Lever and Barton have to be in that study group? Yes, it's all part of the same district

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: or part of the same SU?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: They're part of the same district.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Yeah, they're part of the same

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So there is no choice you're asking me, it's already decided.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Well, what we're talking about right now is should

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: we be grouping them with this other group of districts to talk about getting together or group them with this other group of districts? Right, but what I'm saying is that their district is already, half of their district,

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: district is already in 13. So would we even have a choice to put them in 12 if part of their district is in 13?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: No, we're trying to keep them all together in one or the other.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay, so we said keep Glover and Barton in 12, that would mean that we would also then have to move Albany's back.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Everybody else. Everybody else would move 12.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Correct. Okay, that's what I

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So that was what I was gonna say is the majority of the towns that are in that SU are in 13, so it makes sense to move those two within 13 rather than being all the rest. So that would be Glover Barton into 13.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yeah. I think I just did that.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I don't know if there's other ones.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Lover and Barton. Oh, let's see there. Then I think 13 is set.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So moving on to 14. 14 is just Mount Mansfield, so let's Are do

[Kate McCann (Member)]: they all in one district right now?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yes, so as we talk about Chittenden County, we can suggest groupings. Right now, just based on sort of that 4,000 student count that we were using as an upper limit, We don't. But we could say, Hey, Burlington, Winooski, and South Burlington should all talk.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I think we can apply that across the state. I just wanna make sure that we're we got the lines correct.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Right. We could reduce the number of groupings.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I think we can possibly in others, and they may change once we've done that.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: There is no study committee to form here.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Right. So I think we need to keep that as an option.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: What do you mean as a study?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It's one it's already one.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Right, but they're within a seesaw with other districts, aren't they?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yeah, but we're providing groupings for a facilitator to go out and say, you all should think about getting together as a single district. Chittenden County has largely stayed intact because every district is about 4,000 students.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: How many are now? 14 students.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: 2,599.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So they're on the low end of that. They can make the decision themselves whether they want to join with another district or not. They might want to join with 16 or 15.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Yes, but the point of the facilitator is to facilitate that conversation.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: But we don't want the facilitator pushing them towards these districts, saying, You should think about these districts. We already said that we were going give the channels autonomy to make the strategic decisions that were best for themselves. If that's what the facilitator is doing, I'm not behind the plan.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: We're facilitating, they're facilitating conversation. Exactly.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: You just said, you just said the facilitator was going to suggest to them they should think about these specific districts, which is undermining the whole

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: No, no, no, no,

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: no. Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: All I was saying is, so in the Eastern County areas, we have whole districts without any guidance for them to get together and talk. So the question is, do we want to provide the guidance to say, we think you should get together and talk? The only ones we have up there suggesting that a facilitator get them together and talk is Burlington with Uski. Now, they could all get together and say, we're too big. Can't do it. But if our goal is to have conversations about newer, larger districts, then let's think about saying, hey, as guidance, let's get folks together up there to talk.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: That's a process question. Yeah. So get these 27 groups in order first, and then we would look at the 27 groups we made and maybe put some of the groups together and have less groups. We have to make sure these 27 are all okay first.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: You're already doing that, right? I mean, we've already combined group two and three.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So we finish this process, correct? And then take a look at that and say, now should we combine groups together?

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Understanding is. Yeah.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Hold it up on Chittenden County for the moment. You're saying

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Until we get all 20 I'm just wondering if that's the idea, get these 27 right. Well, they're part of the 27. Yeah. And then worry about the second I

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I would just say, hey, let's talk about food guidance, language and criteria as well. So I really just want to make sure that we do deep well. Yeah. Right, but this is all part of the map. And so what I am I'm not necessarily advocating, but I am pointing out to the committee that we are not asking any study group to be brought together in those areas that maybe we might wanna consider otherwise.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Thank you. And I think it's possible that we could ask all of those in that higher population area to have conversations. I mean, that's don't Right, but we doing that through a visual

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: organizer in formation of these maps, what you're saying is that they shouldn't necessarily be included in that process.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Will They're in different CSA. Oh,

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: that's right. Yeah. Is which CSA is is this different?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: You're in with 15 and Planer Valley South.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. We would have to be, if we were on the study committee, it

[Kate McCann (Member)]: would be with CBQ, I think.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: It's a one for District 14, District 15, or one of makes no sense. Yeah. Which- Which means that they could fall. Yes.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I noticed one, I think earlier we had moved Alberg into the- Right, that one was- But I don't see that change. It is there, it's changed on the seesaw, but it's not on the We haven't gotten there yet.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yeah, haven't gotten there yet. No, no, it's for the CU. If your goal is to keep supervisory union boundaries intact for the seesaws, you have done that. We're in the middle of untangling.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: There's way to

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: get that. Right, let's leave Chittenden County for the moment.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: All of Chittenden County?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Just the, well, ones that are single district.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay, so that means

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: we're gonna

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: skip group 15, which is Champlain Valley. We're gonna group skip 16, which is Essex Westburg, and we're gonna go to 17. It's pink. So, Lemoyle North and Lemoyle South. That's

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: it. Are we good with that? The

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: SCUs are intact. Yep.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Got it. Thank you.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: And then District 18. Now we get to Alberg and Grand Isle. So we want to take Alberg and make it part of this Brown, District 22.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Does that cover the CISA? And that matches the That's perfect. It doesn't match number one.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It almost matches.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It matches the changes we made this morning.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: I have a question Thank on you. So on that, I know that Leland, you had concern with its feeding patterns generally going east, not south. This keeps the continuity of past. Just trying to make sure I've worked that one.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay,

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: so we're going to go back up to Districts 18. So we've moved Alberg back into the Brown area. And that means you've got Franklin Northeast, which is intact. What is this? Franklin?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Franklin, Oh, miss oh. Berkshire, Enosburg, Virginia.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: And they're intact. Franklin. So District 18 is good. District 19 is Maple Run and Franklin West. So Maple Run and Franklin West. District 20 is Burlington and Winooski.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: District I think we should add software and we can do it. I

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: think fewer groups, the better.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So you

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: wanna get rid of District 21? Yeah.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And Franklin, if we're there, I think that Lyle Mansfield and CBU should Hold

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: on. We're not there 6,700,

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: almost 6,800 for that. It's Okay. It's about the conversation.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay. So District 22, we've got all of Grand Isle SU. And who's this? Milton and Colchester. And then 23, Washington Central. Got all of Washington's.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: That's not confusing. Just wanted to say that word out loud because you can't.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So you've got all of Washington Central. It's all part of the whole package. Washington Central. You've Montpelier Roxbury. You've got Berry. Berry Barrytown and and Berlin as part of Washington Central. Okay, so you've got district twenty three or group twenty three is good. District twenty four, Harvard Union.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Okay, so this is a single school district.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It's Harwich Union and Grandville Hancock.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And I think, you know, this one's just, well, it's a challenge because geographically it's hard. Anyway, it is a complete SU, but let's think about how we might confine it

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: with something else. At least not the conversation.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: What about to the left of it?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: We only have one more group.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Is there a rescue? What about moving it over to the brown on the left

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: of it? Brown to the left, I think we have lot her seat shoulder.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Yeah, I do too, I know we have brown, a lot of strength. Because to the right, everything's already pretty big.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And we just tag them, wake up with. Maybe it's the Harwood District.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Does that make sense to put up a District 23?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Is is 23 to the left or do it break?

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: To the right. It's blue to the right.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's a big, that's a big number we'll get to.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: And my only reason why I'm going there instead of the gray is because then the gray just covers a very significant geographic area at that point as opposed to that.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Would you move your per surgical mesh?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Where? No. Just leave it right there for a second.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: So while I weigh in here, Jana.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: What was the question?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: The question is, hardwood.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Yes and no.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: The CSA line goes between that district. So they're geographically very challenging. Is

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: it publicly from other groups for

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: From

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Richmond Richmond to Wayscale? Yeah. What I think would sell it. Once you start

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: looking at our Before she move it over to You're quickly

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: discover how easy it is, but also easy that, like, yes. But there's a very long backstory to how these schools were developed, sometimes half of it's like even non trivial. Yes, short answer is this. And customer.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: These have the CSA lines on there.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Do we know if the hard work kids go to a tech center?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Do they

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: go to Berry? You don't have a tech center?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: No, but they do.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: They go to bury them at seven five.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Right, in CSA. Same CSA. That's 23. Okay, so what am I clicking?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I'm talking about District 24 combining with District 23. So the numbers. I think that's

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: the move. It's going to make a big one. Yeah, it is. But they can discuss that.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Absolutely. It's bound to happen in that area.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Have you got the years

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: But look,

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: it would allow you make it contiguous. Without even trying.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It was contiguous anyway.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Just take it while we get it. Take the win. Okay.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: 100 left. I must have errantly clicked here, or we've changed enough so that we need to come back to this, because this is just one SU. So there was no District 24 or 25 on the map you gave me. I don't know what happened. I'm sorry, there was no District 25 or 26 on the map you gave me. Jumped right to 27. Oh, weird. It doesn't matter. Just

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: wanna Yeah.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: You can send that to John Adams. He will renumber. Am

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: clinging on. Send it to us. I'm doing what works for me at this point.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It's working for us. That's for sure.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So when we're done with this, I'm gonna send a link out to everyone. But that doesn't yeah. I'm I can't make it permanent. I don't know how to make it permanent. So the link I send you, click on it at your own risk.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Send it to you.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Because you'll be able to play with everything.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Okay. Don't send it to everyone.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Just send to Peter. But I okay.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Yeah. Just send it me.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: What what here's what's gonna happen to the investor. Beth will send it to me. I will send it to John. John will create a PDF so that Matt can post it.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Great. But the link I still think I should send you all a link so that you can play around with it. It's not gonna change any of the work I did.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Right, you'll hang up with that.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: You can do your own, but you would at least start with where we ended committee today.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: And then sit in

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: the breakout. Yes. That's great.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: That's messing with mom. Yeah, I'm sure anybody is gonna wanna check-in. All right, let's get back to the work here, people. We've got that and assume that we'll be

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So 27 is our last District 27. What's the three yellows? Hold on,

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: we'll get there.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: So we've

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: got Mountain View. Is all just one supervisor union, multiple districts in there.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: We

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: are bringing up an SU there. Mountain View is another geographically challenging one.

[Kate McCann (Member)]: Does anybody know what tech center they go to?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: They go to Hartford, is the blue to the right of it. And we made that fairly big.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Is it?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Could you show

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: the blue district next to the green district? Dark blue. So I know the district, have we made that one yet?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: It's Windsor, so.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: District 9. Oh,

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: okay, it's not that bad.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: All right, so let's add Mountain View to it.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: The Cisal lines, okay? Just double checking, because you've got the Cisal line happening from the break up Cisal's.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: No, it does not break up for seasonal.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I always want to check that first.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Thank you.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Okay. Ben,

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: I don't know what happened up here.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: You know what, it's the

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: same color as whatever is weighed

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: on the side. I know.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: I was just

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So, should

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: So, I mean, for me, Northfield Williams songs is right above that yellow. They send to Randolph, which is right there.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: We need

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: to look at, seize the line around, Because

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: the curved We're out doing the yellow, though, right?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: I know. Just these three that I don't know what happened to them.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I got to go back because the mountains do move in with Park chairs, but they're in acceptances. Hartford itself is in the number had to keep the Southeast intact, so we had to carve Hartford out of it. Yes. So we can't move those police. The blues that I

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: just made, green that's Well, made

[Kate McCann (Member)]: we can't do that without moving a seesaw line, but maybe we could be moving a seesaw line.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Let me just say this is the one exception.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Can I ask a question? Yeah. Is this all because we didn't wanna break up the existing That's what I was trying to get at. We need to keep it intact.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: We do.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Hartford cannot be a part of the Southeast seesaw. Do I have a question? We know we don't wanna break it up, but can we add to it? Well, no. The CSA is something exactly this it is. Yeah. Just because they're acting like they're aging.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Thank you.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: To confirm that. But they could can we go back to that? What's underneath Windham? Hearthford. Lebanon, there. That's Hartford. Those are actually part of Heartland is part of the original season. So you could actually carve out Hartford only and assign it to it needs to But be with the do you understand Heartland, which is right under Hartford, and West Windsor and Windsor and Wethersfield, which are all that blue link going down into the gray area there. Those are all part of the C7. Want to

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: keep them.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: You can make those whatever color you want, but that's part of one season. There you go. Keep doing those. And then if you look to the right, Hartford's the only outlier here because everything south of it and west of it is part of the Southeast seesaw that we need to keep intact. So I don't care where you mix all those folks together, but Hartford is a single school district, Am I right?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: It is. So even Hold on. Let's think about no law that says that we in doing these groupings, that we can't group them for discussion purposes. And if they decide to come together, then in statute, we can change the CISA line later. So we are not changing the CISA even if we grouped mountain views with the blue, the green with the blue.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Go ahead. I'm in agreement, but there's only one reason to do that right now, because if we start going back through, we're going to start nitpicking in what we were trying to avoid everywhere. There's no reason why. So this one has a specific reason why, and that is because we cannot change the C cell line because we need to keep that intact to be that feature. So I'm fine with it in this one instance, adding it in, but I just don't want

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: it to explode. I couldn't rebar, so let's add it to

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: the blue, the dark blue. We're getting so fast. That's fine. There is one in there.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So we're changing all the green back All to

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: dark blue, yep.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: And we've included in that Beth one district that is not part of the CISA, the CISA. Let's figure out what that will live in. Oh gosh, I'm sorry. It's 09.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Okay, so all this green is becoming District 9.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Wrong color. Wrong color blue. Because

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: it is true. It's District 9.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Remember how I was like a brown paper.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: On the red blue, you just said you could have knees, not the actual box.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I just want say, you are doing such a good job with this. It's been There you go.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: It's like you're driving a van

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: and eight of us are yelling

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: at Exactly.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: I know. I'm get out. But do

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: you remember how much I talked about how you needed special staff to do redistricting?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: We got it.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Can you imagine how bad this would be?

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Yes, I can. Get the last two green there.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Oh, you got to

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: do this other two. Then you're done.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: So District 9. So there's no more District 27. Can we come back up to these guys? Where do they belong? Who are believe that those

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: were attached to that District 10, and then somehow they were just touched with that other color off the bottom.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Just You think they were this color?

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Well, I mean Yeah, that is right here. Northfield's very least use Grand Office. And can I make really quick Beth, I don't know this for certain, but I think if you go into the districts that have zero in it, you click the little delete on the bottom, it will pull them out and renumber?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Oh, great. Let's try that right now. Thank you.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Let's see. Always good have somebody who's played with the match.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: Too many times.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Thanks, Jeff.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: There you go. Oh, nope. It keeps the numbers.

[Joshua Dobrovich (Member)]: At it's up because for

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: I can go in and Change the renumber them myself. Okay.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Nicely done, we've got three.

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: How do you wanna verify this? I don't wanna touch it.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: What do you mean by verify?

[Beth St. James (Office of Legislative Counsel)]: Well, do you wanna just send this to whoever's gonna make a printout of it?

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Oh, yes. In terms of the actual visual tool, just send me the link, I'll take care of that.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: Okay.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: I don't know what else. Yeah, go ahead.

[Beth Quimby (Member)]: What we will need when it gets to the next level is what John sent yesterday, which is one with a color and then one with the CSAs over it. The only thing we really need is the one with the CSAs over it and the color under it. We only need that one time.

[Peter Conlon (Chair)]: Maybe Come back at three.