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[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Welcome folks. This is House of Corrections and Institutions Committee. It is twenty third. Is that right? Yeah. Twenty fourth. Tuesday, March 24. We've got a few minutes here, we're meeting to continue our work on markup of the capital bill budget adjustment. And, we're looking at our new spreadsheets that we did last Friday before we left. What I would We can quickly go over the numbers if people feel comfortable. We did cut the three acre parcel by 1,500,000.0. We made an adjustment to HVAC in 120 State Street. We cut that by a million. Did anybody see Mary? She's outside at the Princeton. Oh, she is outside? That's big. So we did cut the 120 State Street by a million because that's all tied in a little bit for the Capital Complex and how we go forward with FEMA and and what happens with the Capitol Complex. Door controls, we cut that by 2,000,000 because the testimony we received, saying Jay and Rutland are doing door controls. What gets done at Saint Jay will then go to Rutland. They've got design documents there, and then that can be combined with the 700,000.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Mhmm.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The boiler replacement in Newport, we cut that by a million because that's all tied into the moving some ponds, so we're just not sure how quickly that will go. Mhmm. The vet's home, we got a lot of moving pieces here. I don't remember everything. We thought we had elevator money, but they're not gonna use all of it. And we are putting that towards the sewer project. And then we are combining the a wing with a sprinkler installation because that came in at the end.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yep.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And that's a half million, so we get 500,000.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: There's some language with flexibility in that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, it's previous money that came through, so that I have to go back to my notes because it really gets complicated. But we made them whole. That's really weird how we did it. And they could lose money between all of these.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Let's say our facility, right? What we do is that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We've never done anything with that. Did we? No.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: We left it.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We left it.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: We need $500.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's to start just figuring out where we're going. We also need language for them. I spoke to John this morning about language for Williston. We've got to change some previous language that we put in. And I asked them to check with the commissioner of BTS because I think they need a priority as well to purchase land, but I'm not sure.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Right.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, if we stay where we are for money wise, do have the reallocations. What about the? Yeah.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: We we

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: cut that. We did. Did I miss that? Yeah. We cut that fast.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: And that was it. There's nothing fat coming in.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We kept $7.50 in cash. Kept $7.50 in cash, and we cut 1.7. I've got much money to put that on to the bridge. So if we're okay with all of this, and we did put in the reallocations from the elevator upgrade. That was what we did. So for the repo committee, is that 63,400, what the repo committee came up with?

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Well, it was different, but

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: He double counted something.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Right. The governor had let me find it. What elevator are we talking about?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's a festival.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Oh, that's right. Right.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Bought 1,000,000 previously. It's only going to cost half 1,000,000, so we're reallocating half 1,000,000 and putting it towards Location. Towards Mississippi.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Right. That went over there.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: There we go. Now to the sewer system. Correct. Okay. That's where that one will work to.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Thank you.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Madam Chair, if you look at line 159, the governor has that at 115,000. It showed up in our repo committee as 53,000, 60,000 left. So there's still discrepancy between but it showed up in both places. That's why we didn't catch it because the governor had already pulled it at 115. We thought it was, I think, 58 or something like that. So we pulled it too. So we just got rid of our line. And I know that Scott has been in touch with Will from the administration saying that's not the number we were having. But that's why it's there. It's no longer in our repo.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No, the 115 stays there, right?

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Based on the information that Scott has gotten from the administration, that's what we're keeping there. We don't think it's the correct number. And I'll tell you precisely what I think it is. And it's in the repo report that I gave to the chair and the vice chair,

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: which I don't have a paper code yet.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I find it off the top of

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: my head, but I can

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I can get more detailed?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Are we told by that?

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: What what is even that? What what is phosphorus removal equipment, Roy?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, we signed through the campaign bill.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: It was water. Oh, it's partly clean water stuff.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I have that letter and I have it handy.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I'm almost there. These days I'll see what I'm surprised.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: So this was DEC, Department of Environmental Municipal Control, allocated in 2020, so FY21. We had it at 58,491. That's why we didn't catch it when the governor had that 115 in there. So we don't know why.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It was

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: municipal pollution plans.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yeah, but it was specific to

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Phosphorus removal equipment.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Funds were originally held for wastewater treatment. Oh, no, not

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Phosphorus it. Removal comes from the agency event. E.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: C.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. No, it's A. D. D. Fossil's removal equipment, you have 58,890. The 115,000

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Where are you looking? Look on page

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Line 159.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's ACT. Agency of ACT. Phosphorus removal equipment. It's for

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: farmers. So do you think that's different? Yes. So the DEC should go back in there then.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: DEC is your municipal pollution grants to take phosphorus out of the

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: So we should put that back in there then.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That is for your wastewater systems.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yeah. So that fifty eight thousand four and ninety one should go back in there. We just have to let Scott know.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The 50,000? Yeah. So we have 58,000 more?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's what it sounds like. What is the so that's d c. D c. Is there a number attached to it?

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: You want the depth ID? Yes. 6140992005. And how much? $50.58 $4.91 dot $5.09.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's cool.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So even their equipment, their phosphorus removal equipment, that goes to farmers. So on your sheet, it was 58,000. Is that the same as what they have on line 159? That's 150

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I think we're confused then. We thought that was the same as 159. And that's why the governor's number doesn't match our numbers because they're two different projects.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I see. That's an easy thing to

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. But the governor's number is 1 15 for fastest renewable equipment.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: We didn't look at that because he already pulled it before we got to it.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You have 58896.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yep, that should go back in to the bottom line. It should be essentially line 173.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So is it for phosphorus removal equipment? Yes. Or is it for

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: It was machinery that was pulling phosphorus out of and and probably as a result of runoff is my guess.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Because for the municipal Okay.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: But hold on. The depth ID might be this that's the other thing, is I think the depth ID was the same. Hold on. 150. What's the DEBT ID on that?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Exhalation of remaining files required.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: It's two different DEBT

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: IDs as well. Indeed.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Troy, you're acknowledging 115,000 for phosphorus removal equipment because of project cancellation. The remaining funds required notwithstanding language to allow retention beyond the five year mark.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: That's what we did last year.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, is the 58,890 phosphorus removal equipment that you found is beyond the five year mark.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yeah, but that's not the total. I have fifty eight thousand four and ninety one.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The 58,491 is DEC municipal pollution rights.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: What were you

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Something totally different.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Where are you looking? Yeah, right.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Looking on your sheet here.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: What was the first 58 that you mentioned?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That was the agency that had phosphorus removal equipment This goes to farmers.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: What page are you on?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Your sheet.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Do you know which page?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Not one, two, two and three. Bottom of two and all of three. They're phosphorus removal.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Oh yeah, there's two different, right. So now if you go, it's the two highlights, they're both 58,000. That's why.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: One is DEC, which is

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: the

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: municipal pollution control, where we fund phosphorus removal to come out of municipal wastewater plants.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: And then the one that the agency of AG is the same DEFDA ID as line 159 that the governor has as 115. So look line 159, and look at the DEBT ID there, 20Two-ninetyNine-eighteenO3.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The governor is saying 115000.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: What we Yeah, pulled out.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: That's what we had, but we pulled it out. We said, fine. The governor we're gonna use the governor's number then.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So you're at 115. So to go to the previous one

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Right. I have to figure out where that went, why that's not on here.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Municipal pollution control Yeah. $58,491.59.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It's (614) 099-2005.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Why is that not in our

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So why don't you follow that on Peter? I

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: got it right. I got it. And we have it. Where did that go? Hold on. I think I'm a little confused in my head right now because they're both at 58,000.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, why don't you look at that Oh, while we're on

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: no, no, no. The DEC one, we're not pulling back. You're not pulling back. We're not reverting that. That's why.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we're good to go.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: We're good as it stands.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yeah, you can take that off.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: But you and Scott are checking with Will to verify this

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: other number. You still I know our Scott has been working with Will, and they keep coming back saying it's 115. Which is going create a bug for them, but not that I've got it.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Could it change your number from 63 to 100 and

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: because we kept it at 115.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: After eight minutes of discussion, we're coming right

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: back to That mostly me, because there were two

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It's good, though, to be how it's resolved.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Doctor. Folks, while we get the spreadsheet, so if you look on the back, definitely say with all the moving pieces that we've currently moved, right, we have to the board about 6,000,000. 1,800,000.0 of that is bondage. 6,000,000 is cash. 4.2. I mean, 4.2 was cash. So we've got some outstanding issues that we wanted to resolve. One was WiFi in a correctional facility. And we're trying to get ADS in tomorrow morning at 08:30. It looks like they may need more around 2,000,000 than the 3,000,000, but we're not sure. There's a chart that was sent out to everyone.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I got that. You.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We want to get ADS in to talk about this tomorrow. And because there's interest putting money in for Wi Fi.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah. It might be universal. As long as they tell us that they're planning on moving forward and not, like, two year or three years down our road.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And then state house ADA entry project. Where we are since it's a $1,300,000 request. It's what they're looking for to keep it going. They have some schematic designs. It's an 18 to $20,000,000 project. It's to reconfigure the whole entryway down here.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I think they need to fix the parking problem or have a proposal for it. That already is a problem?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: They have schematic design, and they're into design development a little bit. They need to finish that before they even get to construction. The timeframe that they're looking at is to continue design development, which would deal with parking from the middle of the bow, and they hope to complete that by August. And then at the August, they would start getting into construction documents to present next January. And they said they need about 1,300,000.0 to get through that. So, are.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I'm a big

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: fan of it.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: All have it.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Where are you Troy now? No, I'm a yes, and it's only punctuated by today's testimony on eight sixty one on accessibility in this building. Right. And then the need for improved accessibility in the building. And safety.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah. So But it's part of that design, though. They they need to speak about ingress egress for the big trucks. Yeah. They need to speak about parking. Yep. So they and if they in a in a reasonable manner. Right. Now we're gonna open up three more spots on State Street for. I'm I'm making fun. No. No. You're probably something real.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I think they're you know, I don't think we lose that many Spotify. I know they're they're they're primed. You know?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So cool. It might be good to have some folks come in tomorrow just to give us an update where we are in the semantic design and how you're planning on taking care of parking and trucks coming along. Because I know you talked about that very personally, and maybe you put in some language to make sure.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I don't want be overly prescriptive, but specifically handicap parking as well. If you make the thing ADA compliant, then there's no handicap parking. Adjacent to that. Yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, that right there is 1,300,000 and then about 2,000,000, so we're at 2.3.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: For the Wi Fi? Fi.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 2,000,000, but I'm not sure about that 2,000,000.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Mhmm.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's not clear well, almost clear on So

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: is it cleanest to use the bonded for the entryway if that's the direction we're going?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, that's 1.8. What we could do, we do 1.3 for the entryway, but the remaining half million in major maintenance. Mhmm. So check with that. That make sense?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That make sense? You're knocking around and things to fix.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And then the Wi Fi will come out of the cache Yes. Which is 2.2.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Is that is that yeah. I mean, I think that

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: that sounds pretty good. You don't want

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: to. Okay.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Now you have two years of the cage. That's that's how long it looks for. You have three years of the cage. Three years.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Before it's an option.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: A variety of things. We can take part of that for major maintenance or take part of that and put it with a women's facility, park it there.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It would be nice to park somebody there, but we could not be better off switching some of the bonded dollars at major maintenance. You

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: don't want to leave any bonded on the bottom line?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: No, no. But if you were to use How many years do have for the bonded?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You don't want to leave bonding capacity on the bottom line.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Well, you didn't let me finish my thought.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Okay. Thought before the automatic thought.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: So the major maintenance, know you're gonna use. So if you were to substitute some of the cash, the outstanding cash, and put it in major maintenance and then take bonded dollars away for major maintenance and park in the wooden facility and stay for longer. Is it not? For five years instead of three.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You're part

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: is the thought.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You've got cash and bonds right now in the in the women's facility.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I don't remember what the break

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'll make sure right now.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I mean, you can repo it and put it right back there anyway. Right? So

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We got the scratch.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's a good place. We know we have nowhere near enough, and that did he think he made?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Bonded, you look at it after two years. Cash, you look at it after three years. So you get an extra year with cash.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Oh, I misunderstood that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, it's five years automatic for bond, but after two years you will cash.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: And three years automatic for cash? You have two years in May, five years in half, you have cash, and three years it's

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We haven't resolved that. It's three years, but then we haven't resolved where it goes. It stays in the front where the glass can tilt. Are the doors closed to grow to the well? No, I think so. They're still? It

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: seems logical and responsible enough, putting the balance aside for something that you know is a huge outstanding liability.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So I think you could end up with a million or you're ending up with 2. Just divide five, I'm not convinced it's 2 point two because we've been hearing 3,000,000.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So I'm not confused.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That was two years ago.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So So

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: we're gonna see the $8.30 tomorrow?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's that's the plan. That's the hope. That's haven't made any decisions, Mary.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Wait, if I had a $3,000,000 project, can I get my Easter into a room for the presentations?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: He's only been meeting for fifteen minutes.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: You had a nice day for being outside, Mary.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, it was 6,000,000 on the bottom line where we were on Friday. So 1,800,000.0 to the good on bonded dollars. And what we're thinking is 1.3 of that will go to the entryway project for the State House. And then the remaining half million we put major maintenance. And then the 4.2, that's cash to the good. We use part of that for WiFi, and then we put the balance into the women's facility. Does that make sense?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah. I mean, if I thought that they could do more major maintenance, I'd say there, but I'm not going be able to. Yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But that means that all the decisions we made last week are reflected in the spreadsheet step. So, what I would like to do, Cole, we're going to check back with your folks, and tomorrow we can get a little bit better idea about what the schematic design and then the design development, and see if that can address people's concern on parking and the trucks coming in. So we might wanna put language in there. The other thing, if folks could be thinking what we all talked about in different language changes, because John wants to clarify that with us today so that tonight he can draft. Let's draft together.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Or it's that land swap in Springfield too. I gave him that one.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Okay. Great.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And we've gotta work with the lease, the folks. Your ears will buzz on.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: We we got rid of the punching bunny, Emily. No big deal.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Sounds good.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: They're so good. They're really

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: They're so good. You can do it with half. Oh.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It's a resourceful folks. They don't need all that money.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Only kidding. He got a whole bunch of Michael L. Brady drafts and language. He submitted it to the forest and parks. That's when I was going look. Did he send it to anybody? They went back and forth yesterday. Usually delete And your emails and reason how much. Yeah, this went through Michael O'Grady and the Commissioner of Forest and Parks and Catherine Gassing was their legal counsel. And they came back with another proposal. So, it allows them to enter into a twenty year lease with an option to renew. The fee would be used to compensate the state, It would address conditions on the use of the structure, including the boundaries. And then Vermont HUD's association would secure insurance. And provision for the termination of the lease, requirements for operation and maintenance of the lease structure and lands, including cost of maintenance, how any conflict between the parties would be resolved. And that the contract, and this is something that anyone wants to pay attention to, the contract between the Department of Forests and Parks and Vermont HUSS executed in accordance with standard state provisions for contracts and grants set forth in bulletin 3.5. And that that will be required for the relocation and reconstruction of the Godel House. So, that's what Forrest and Parks is recommending. That was sent to Michael or Grady. So, we need to get Michael in here Morrison Parks to go over that proposed language. Tate, I'm going to send that to you. And then you can post that. So that's what they worked on yesterday. This morning, I also had a painting with the chairs of energy and general housing. You go over the two proposed languages section for DEC that talked about drinking water revolving on file could be used for manufactured don't remember this Housing. Manufactured housing. In reviewing this with Michael O'Grady, our legal counsel, and John Gray, our legal counsel, as well as chair of environment and chair of general. They are fine with Section eight language that upgrades the drinking water revolving loan fund to also be applicable to the manufactured housing communities at the lower interest costs. They're fine with that. The issue was waiving the priority system rule, and they are not fine. That circumvents the whole process. Plus, if they're only waiving one part of that rule, it's still uncomfortable.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: So

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: they're asking us not to improve that language. So they're asking us for that. Alice, which section did you say that pertain to? Section nine. Sorry. The governor's budget. It's not on the spreadsheet. It's not on the. That it it's a total violation of what the rule is, then it conflicts with other rules. If folks are interested, we can have Michael to explain that because he's the one that picked up the conflict with another part of the folks in our trust.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's a forty five second answer to what it's in conflict with.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: One says you don't have to be on the priority. The other piece says yes, you gotta go through this particular process to get on the priority. So they still have to go through the process.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's what he was telling us Friday. Was the Friday or Thursday that he was here? Whatever day it was when he was giving us testing. Friday, was Friday. Yeah. Makes sense. Otherwise, it's going have people go nilly to pick up projects they win.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So that was a retroprediction of those two plaintiffs, chairs, asking us not to include Section nine in our capital bill. They're all available to drink the water. Does that work for folks?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Based on what Michael said, we didn't pay out.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay. Well, that's all we got for now. So if you can be thinking, while you get a chance, we're gonna work it to work it down on the floor, and it would be good to Six ish. No, I hope not to look that late. John really wants to clarify the dollar amounts and

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: he

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: wants to clarify whatever language he does for.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Good.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We can go over with what he has or just give me some things that we've mentioned that he didn't catch. That make sense? Mhmm. We're catch up in the participant. K. So let's finish up on this. Let's go on the floor, and let's go by the ear here. K. So let's go