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[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Mary Liz.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Hey, welcome back, folks. This is House of Corrections and Institutions Committee. It's Thursday, March 19. We're here to continue our discussion on the capital bill and the markup. We have some folks here from BGS. And one thing that we would like to have a little update on before we get back to the funny piece on this thirteenth is where we are. It's changed at all since the beginning of the year on replacing the women's facility. And we have the deputy commissioner with us. So welcome. Emily, if you could identify yourself for the record.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: I'm Nikki Sicki, Deputy Commissioner of UPS for the record. The committee, we recall we shared that we needed to pivot away from our plans to site state owned land in Essex for a variety of reasons, site challenges as well as some local zoning constraints. And so we then worked with DOC, the new Commissioner Murad, about what our next steps would be. We analyzed various options for existing state land, which had some limitations for utilization. And the approach that we landed on and currently are pursuing is we put out an RFP, which is active right now for doing a land search through an RFP process where we identify specifically that we were looking for land that would be suitable for correctional facility use. So again, that is live right now. How many acres do you need? 20 something was

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: where did the RFP went out statewide or was it specific just to the Northwest part of the state or? Statewide with preference

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: for Chittenden County.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And when does the RFP do that? Responses are due March 25.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: So again, we have done some outreach just to invite or to share that we have this active. And again, we'll see what we get.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And you have currently, is it $1,416,000,000? Something around there, right? 14,000,000 that we've put aside over the years. In a new facility would be over 100,000,000, 120. Depends on the design works, but that is And all options and moving pieces that you do with the current facility might renovate the current for something else, might do something somewhere. We do a lot of options. So that's where we are on that one. So that's a big ticket item coming. We have to balance out a bit. It's a few allergic tools?

[Unidentified Member]: No, but maybe the dust in this one. It's the expense. It's the expense. How are we

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: going to fund that? So I just want folks to keep that in the back of our minds. So by the end of the session, we would have some feel for how many bids you got back, how many options might be out there.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: Yeah, we have this sense of how many options we got through that process. We did do a little bit of an informal on our own, just seeing what was out there through our own property management process a few months ago. But again, what we got was a lot of sites that weren't necessarily suitable for a correctional facility.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So when you say suitable for a correctional facility, are you looking at sites that are zoned that would accept something like that already? I believe that is what we define, but some of

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: the responses, some of what we found in our land search for a broker, it was just next to a use that was clearly unsuitable.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But it needs water and sewer. Yeah. So let's go back to the top of this and see where we are because there were some questions maybe that folks have. They have changed after some testimony that was submitted. I can't find my papers. The first thing that we kind of were unsure what we were gonna do was planning and reuse. Online tool, spreadsheet. We were kind of thinking maybe to cut us back, but we've kept it at two fifty. That was one thing. The other piece is fiscal enhancements statewide. We were looking at cutting that by about 100,000. You said page two. Half of page one.

[Unidentified Member]: Second page. Two.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Line two. Thank you. Line two and line three. So we've had different we've had new testimony. Be just as feeling that if we cut either one of those, it really puts them in a tight place, particularly the contingency piece. And also physical security items are coming in more expensive. There's getting to be more requests So where are we, folks?

[Unidentified Member]: I'll back off on that one. Don't lose money. So which one? Lane two. Seems why it'll be unpopular, though. What's that?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: About the fiscal security. Had testimony yesterday, I believe it was yesterday, folks.

[Unidentified Member]: Everything I heard on that one, it sounded like it'll be spent. They

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: said if they don't have enough, and they have to back them off. They have to do it for feed through feed through space, which have patched tunnels.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: I would suggest we reverse both of those and keep the money data.

[Unidentified Member]: Yeah. I agree with Mary.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So that brings for fiscal security, there is an additional $2.25 in cash to the $2.50.

[Unidentified Member]: Yep.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You're supportive of that, everybody? Yes? Yes. Yep. So then the next one is the three acre parcel compliance.

[Unidentified Member]: We'll hold

[Unidentified Member]: on to that.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. I think I think BGS is gonna go back.

[Unidentified Member]: And give them language so that they don't to pay any fines.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, the the commissioner was gonna go back and take a look at that because we looked at this, and we wanna make sure that those that have a permit, and that is Middlesex St. Albans Corrections Facility and the Pittsford Fire Training. The permit's in place and out to bid in February year. So once that permit gets in place, that's when the clock starts ticking for five years. So for those three projects, it's about 2.1. They

[Unidentified Member]: need to get them done.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, exactly.

[Unidentified Member]: Now, we also heard testimony on Pittsburgh that if the range is extended, then it could That's gonna have an impact on the stormwater plan. So that I I don't so that that project, I think, is kinda yeah.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, we have to decide. Do we wanna put primary range in there?

[Unidentified Member]: But even if you do, you don't know You don't know what

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: it's gonna do because it's only designed.

[Unidentified Member]: Because we heard testimony that they want it to be longer. And we also heard testimony that if they do do that, that it changes the they have to change the stormwater plans.

[Unidentified Member]: That it could. Yeah, they didn't say

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: it was a bunkier.

[Unidentified Member]: That's so far out.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Is Pittsburgh under? That's not under BGS. That is flat under say, D.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: It's line eight.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Let's stop it. You're an erroneous man.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: It's

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: because you don't have everything else flying through your brain.

[Unidentified Member]: Stop it. You're not right, Tate.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's $200,000 in bonded dollars. That's only for design. It's not for the project construction. It's only for design. This came from the governance committee. This was their priority.

[Unidentified Member]: I'm fine with leaving them in. Sounds like they they yeah. Fine. I'm leaving it in. They need the documents, they're gonna make the ask the bigger ask in the next capital bill.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You were ready to take it out a few times.

[Unidentified Member]: Was. Was because I just wanted to start putting money into projects that we're gonna get out the door, but they can't even get us a number to ask for without these.

[Unidentified Member]: But to that point, I think you can look at it again. But I think you could trim line item four a little bit and not repeat this year.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, we wanted to cut it 3,000,000. Yeah. What it was It's 1.5. 1.5. We were

[Unidentified Member]: at two

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Keep it in mind. Block from today. Because we wanna make sure we get those three projects. The Newport, the permit, think, was about a year old. But that's all tied in with the work with the boiler. And then the Waterbury complex of permits in the works. For Gens, they have a permit, but it's on hold due to the sidewalk on the state piece and the city wants us to maintain that. So, we still got to work through that. Capital complex is on hold. Department of Labor because that's all connected to FEMA. So they have to date 5,800,000.0, they have to date, and if we cut them back by 1.554

[Unidentified Member]: 4.3. Sounds like plenty.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: I think that's going well in love.

[Unidentified Member]: So then and what would that look like? The strike the 1.1 for f y twenty seven and strike 400 for '26, or does it just not matter? Yeah. No. I think you're

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. That's what we were doing. Okay. Zeroing out bonded.

[Unidentified Member]: 27.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 27. And then the f y '26 bonded would be 1.1. Yes. Are we still there?

[Unidentified Member]: Yes.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's a warmer.

[Unidentified Member]: I think you can't do anything to that. They're like that's they need to be able to put that rubber roof on there. It's like it's happen.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Yeah, but one's a good

[Unidentified Member]: Wanda's gonna be down there with her, you know, bucket. I think they're saying they're doing it now.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, the bucket. Yeah, I know.

[Unidentified Member]: They're bucketing it now, which is like, Good. That's

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: great. It's under contract.

[Unidentified Member]: To get fixed.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Well, that was important to know because

[Unidentified Member]: Bucket brigade.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: That we're going by force.

[Unidentified Member]: He's a bloomer moving on.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: If there was a roof that's under contract.

[Unidentified Member]: That's what you said the other day. Right? Yeah.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: We needed to hear that word under contract.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So then that kicks in to multimodal. That's 900,000.

[Unidentified Member]: Again, They need that too.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's a priority item and the 900 benefit we'll make sure that we get to. Yeah. Okay. So for the Ace of Boomer, is any of that gonna also be able to do the sewer upgrade or is it total for the roof? Well, what I'm seeing here is roof and skylight east west in the. So that's what I'm Are you gonna be able to do any sewer work with that? That's in progress?

[Unidentified Member]: That was

[Unidentified Member]: last year, isn't it?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. It's all part of this picture here.

[Unidentified Member]: And it's not listed up top.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It is on the spreadsheet.

[Unidentified Member]: Okay. I want six shots. Thank you.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: My understanding is this due to the importance of redevelopment because we had

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: the sewer

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: portion based on the funding we had available. I know that's an important disruption for tenants of the building as it's progressing.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And then the roof part we put on hold based on our

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: available funding. And as a result, it's continuing to accelerate.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So this whole chart here includes the sewer and the roof. And that 3.6 gets you completion to the roof with whatever money is left over from doing this to work.

[Unidentified Member]: I feel like that's what Joe said in the day that started questioning us.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: I've got finished on

[Unidentified Member]: both those lines. Right, that's what I thought.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, and I have a note that you were going to come back with a sore. So are we thinking, Emily, or not?

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: No, I'm pulling it up, I'm thinking my understanding is that's to get us to complete the

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: sewer and the roof. Yeah, that's all I want to make sure. It gets you completed for both of those projects.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: That is my understanding.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay. Multimodal, we said okay.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: And,

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 126th Street.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: It

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: came down, kicking and screaming, and biting up their 2,000,000 bags. They've reallocated in the back. They have reallocated. Close to that. Yeah, they've reallocated over 31.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: What?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The way they do it is they took to the bottom So, they reallocated 525,000 from bonded dollars and from cash they reallocated 2,500,000.0. So 2.5 was 3,000,000. They've reallocated from previous appropriations for 126.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: But they've got to know where they put it or where they're cutting their

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: balance sheet. Let's put it. It's to our bottom line.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Well, understand that, Alice. But again, we were doing a deeper dive this year to ask questions as to where things were specifically going. That's all I'm asking.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So they probably are putting some of that, well, the reallocations, this is 2,000,000 in bonded for f y twenty seven. So if they're reallocating 3,000,000, we could say that that 3,000,000 that's freed up to go to the 2,000,000. Won't even go to that because we only had half 1,000,000. I know what Mary is saying, but in reality, when we reallocate, it goes to the bottom line that there's dollars available. Understand that, Alice.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: I've been in this committee long ago.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But I know some other folks that are questioning.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Right, but I'm saying this year, we said we wanted to a little bit more of a connection you as to, because otherwise you can continue to stir the pot of where you're going and then you'll find out the next year wasn't necessarily used in that manner. I'm just trying to shore it up a bit, so if we can find money we can find it. That's all. So

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: where are folks for that 2,000,000 that we were ready to zoom out?

[Unidentified Member]: Yeah, I kind of keep coming back to the clarifying question I asked Joe, I think

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: it was yesterday, about what was the intent. And the intent was to pause that program. And again, I want to clarify, I have all the confidence in BGS and the detail with which they come into this room. I'm worried about FEMA. I'm worried about federal. But I understand that this project has to go through. To come back next year if I come back next year and see that we've got $2,000,000 unspent, because we haven't moved at all on that project.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: So I trust BGS. Well, again, I feel the same way. If it's sitting there, I could've used it, but also my decision to move out. You can think.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Yeah. I don't have an answer for you, but that's where my head is right now.

[Unidentified Member]: Phillips? Well, I gotta say I don't understand it because they you you're it it says here that they reallocated it. What's that? Does it,

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: like previous appropriations.

[Unidentified Member]: Alright. So but they're still

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But still they have

[Unidentified Member]: 2,000,000

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Correct.

[Unidentified Member]: We could in in bonded dollars. Right? Mhmm. That we could scratch back.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We could. Now last year, didn't put any in because we knew that they were still trying to figure out what to look for. Correct. Because we knew that they had 3,000,000 at least $3,000,000 already in hand. Mhmm. So they had some opportunity to move forward. It's tied up a little bit with the Capital Complex, the flooding with FEMA. They're trying to figure out, do they do it, the whole heating system, a standalone within 120, or do they do 120 and then have a separate building with all the mechanicals for the Capital Complex? And that is all going to be determined through the working through of FEMA for that. So if you have a specific building in the complex for the mechanicals, that's going to impact a little bit in terms of what you do for replacing all of the issues within 120 State Street. If you don't do that and you take care of the mechanicals in each individual building in the Capitol Complex, well, then you're gonna do 120 State Street a little different, be more on its own. But they can't really move forward until they know what's happening with FEMA to the Capitol Complex.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Can we cut it in half to a million?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah,

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: have I'd

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: the two, but I'll go for one if that's okay.

[Unidentified Member]: That's my thing, we can only go by feelings, and I hate saying that, but I feel like whoever's sitting here next year is going to be looking at the line seeing that there's 2,000,000 left. Don't believe that it's coming forward. Doesn't mean I'm right, but this might feel like I think a lot of us do that based on what we've heard. So I don't have a problem with cutting some or all of it and reallocating some

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: of Could we be half money and be a million?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So let's put in a million. Yep. This will be the first walk through. And we get a spreadsheet, and we see where we are. K. Okay. 32 Cherry. I think this completes the project. Completes the project in '27. So ring the FY '27. Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. Okay. And then

[Unidentified Member]: I'm working on the damn language. I just got a callback here. What's the language? The damn study. Oh, the damn People get punchy in here.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: It's going take a while

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: for people to get back. HVAC system. That is a big increase there.

[Unidentified Member]: Not that I want to stop it.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Just wanna get through. I get through DCF use facility. I wanna do door control. Would say half an hour.

[Unidentified Member]: Yeah. With section three, I don't think we had that many things that were

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Hang on. I can't do things.

[Unidentified Member]: K. Give a sec. Okay, so

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'm just wondering if we're really looking for money and it would be, well, it's a split between bonded and cash. But the HVAC system, I don't wanna cut them. But on the other hand, there's a lot of money here that's being increased. On the bonded piece, is 8,400,000.0 additional bonded from what we put in in FY 2017. And there's an additional 1,000,050 cash for a total of 9,400,000.0 extra dollars. And I don't want to stop it because I know that they're expensive, but I just am concerned with the timeframe and maybe CTS should come back maybe with a little bit more of a breakdown in terms of what your plan is. I know Springfield and Newport, that's a given to get done for full, concerned about the full. You're gonna do some conference rooms and some of the little Fosters. Yeah, that's Springfield and Newport, I think. Or is it just Springfield? Springfield, Newport. And then that's gonna be up and running this summer. And then the full facility for Springfield will be done first, and that will be up and running next year during the summer, because you'll finish it more during the winter. And then you're also gonna start Newport. And you want the designs are done from what I'm understanding, and you wanna pre order the equipment. Because the equipment takes quite a bit of time, then you have to get a construction manager on-site. So I wanna break down in terms of how much it's gonna cost to do Springfield, the temporary part, as well as the full amount. And I'm saying for Newport, I want the total cost of what you're seeing there. And then if there's time, I think you're gonna get started on the St. Johnsbury Regional facility. That one, you're only doing temporary on the St. Johnsbury? St. Johnsbury. That's Northeast Regional. Is that the work camp or is that also the facility itself? So temporary and then we are, you know, permanent. Targeting. You'll be targeting what? Next by any So I just wanna break down of this temporary for those three, what the cost is going to be, and then for Southern and Northern.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: Yes. Yes.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Beat all violence.

[Unidentified Member]: Why have you been under so

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: much stress?

[Unidentified Member]: Are we doing announcements? Too much.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. They were the underdog. Really? To beat Ohio State.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: That's huge.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Now they're gonna go and probably That's Duke.

[Unidentified Member]: Good. Beat Duke too.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Jesus. Anyway, so I want that breakdown. And also, you're only gonna do Southern and Newport. Those are under contract and what you could get started on Northeast Regional.

[Unidentified Member]: Those are your third thing.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I want more defined numbers on that. There's a lot of money here. And I don't want to stop them because I know they're expensive. How much is Springfield to do completely? $68,000,000? It's not cheap. So I wanna get more information on that one.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: And

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: because that's a lot of money there. And then then I wanna go to door controls. 2,700,000 cash in door controls. And then if you look on lines twenty three and twenty four, we have got 4.5, 4.1 going to door controls. They're gonna complete Saint Jay, and then whatever is left over that 3.6, they're gonna go and start growth. That's my understanding.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: So

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: what are folks thinking on the door control, Frank? So tremendous amount money. A separate line, and I don't

[Unidentified Member]: We had I had us talk didn't we weren't we talking about taking 2,000,000 off of this? Mhmm.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yes. Okay. You still there to take 2,000,000? Am. I am. Then the other thing is trying to organize this differently on the. '23,

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: '24, and '27.

[Unidentified Member]: John Gray told us not to do that. No. He said he couldn't replace it. For the record Scott Ward joins the office. On the one hand, yes, we can put them together on the spreadsheet perfectly fine, but you just had a discussion about HVAC and wanting to have more detail, so I worry about putting them together without the less detail. And I'm happy to do whatever, and to John's point about the fact that section 19, the cache, it's a different section for line 27. Yeah. So rolling together It's going to be a problem. It's weird. Yeah. Well, that makes sense.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: When you're rolling together the HVAC

[Unidentified Member]: it's I'm really happy to present this however you'd like.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So what? How would

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: it look like being less confusing in your opinion?

[Unidentified Member]: For me you're going to have one big block in all the words instead of two medium blocks in all the words. Monetarily add things together it's not going to be hard to do. It will shift all the line number which will be confusing if you're looking at this sheet line 50 is now next sheet is line 49. Or I can just skip a little number. It's not hard. I can't even know this is hard, it's just a matter of being precise so it can confused for the future.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Why do you keep 27 and really indicate it's not statewide door controls, that it's DOC facility? Door controls?

[Unidentified Member]: And that terminology accomplished me that right, so I didn't make up that, but I cannot. Know.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I think they had extra money of cash and they just threw it there.

[Unidentified Member]: So we're going take $2,000,000

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But I'll better be corrected on that.

[Unidentified Member]: We're going to take $2,000,000 Yes, sir.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's cash. Newport Correctional Boiler, that one just keeps going round and round and round. Gift that keeps giving. They gotta move the ponds, So that's three acres. Then they have to figure out where they're putting in the road. And then they gotta figure out the boiler and what other piece was working. Something else was working up there. Or was it? There was come on, folks. There was something else Joe mentioned that would play into this a little bit.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Are you talking about the truck? Electric.

[Unidentified Member]: Moving the electric out to the street.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: And depending on where he puts the pole? Play. Another project altogether? Something

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: that was gonna play into this indirectly.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: It's in the one that they have

[Unidentified Member]: to they have to move the road for the for the trucks to bring

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And if That's not part of the boiler. Yeah. Well, the sprinkler system.

[Unidentified Member]: And it moves the whole pot.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. There was something with the sprinkler system that was gonna happen there.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: So that's in line 26, the sprinkler system.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. Something with those sprinkler system.

[Unidentified Member]: No. It was boiler. Oh, that's Newport.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Yeah. But

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: they went with getting

[Unidentified Member]: There wasn't enough space in the

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: There was something with space. There was something with space.

[Unidentified Member]: He did mention that.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'm trying to think what it was.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Sprinkler system upgrades. That's line six.

[Unidentified Member]: I have a note to keep 500,000 in. Just cut it out. Can't be that important.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: So

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: the only thing I'm thinking that might be for the boiler is the broom

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The boiler? For the shrubs.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: That's what I've got too, running into

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: issues developing

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: the site for semi deliveries in proximity to a wetland.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: And we have an issue with cons. We're going have an easy for that. But I think it's really about the access to the trucks to look at a chunk.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: And moving storm waters is not currently in this pricing. Storm water is moving. It's not in these prices.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: So

[Unidentified Member]: what do

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: we want to do here with the boiler? The boiler, they have with this 2,000,000 in cash, they will have 5,100,000.0.

[Unidentified Member]: Funny to show them the boiler.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We have bonded in f y, it's 5. We had 3.5. We've only expended $341

[Unidentified Member]: Part of it is they're buying the the plan is to pre buy the boiler so they can be constructed, and then it needs to be airlifted into the building that it's going to be guided. Rain?

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: He said air.

[Unidentified Member]: He said air. Yeah. Probably

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: helped. Oh, that's cheap.

[Unidentified Member]: That's got, like, the bargain right now. What's the reality?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So right now, what I heard about the stormwater pond gold, what I have here in the note, is the cost is not in the 5,100,000.0, but they'll mill in a couple of weeks a month in this space. Right?

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: That's what I've done

[Unidentified Member]: as well. Yeah. And that's supposed to

[Unidentified Member]: happen this summer or fall.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So where would the cost if you have to move that storm? You don't have the permits for that, right? Communicating with DEC. Right. We don't have the permits.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: I've got in my notes, may not finish this year, given how this all needs to be resolved, and then moving the storm water costs not currently in this pricing, running into issues with developing the site for semi deliveries, in proximity to the wetlands, and retaining bonds.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Can we cut at least 1.1?

[Unidentified Member]: Didn't he say the other day that maybe done problems with the seer things, but can't really put the boiler in until they've done the bonds?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Right, they can't do anything until they figure out about the ponds, so you have to redesign

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: the road once

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: you figure out where the ponds So are you gotta redesign the road before, you know, even if you can build them. Yeah. You know how

[Unidentified Member]: they're flying the boiler in?

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Look at that one.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: They don't even know.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: A wood chip truck.

[Unidentified Member]: Which will be cleaner and less expensive.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But it's the wood chip boiler, so you can't have the trucks to do those with the hookups. Correct.

[Unidentified Member]: So you can't put the car for the whole RC in

[Unidentified Member]: and now that you can get jets under the building. Or have to do a number two. Right.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. That's what they're gonna have to shift to anyway because they have chunk work right now.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: So, madam chair, you send me to take more.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I don't know if he should even take that. He should take more. Mary suggested, cut in a million. There's 2,000,000 here. Cut in a million.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: Yes.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You can see at least 500,000. What we could do. Oh, yeah. Forget that. That's. We do the Wi Fi, and we do it to the OC section. They have the ability to move money around within that section. Correct.

[Unidentified Member]: Yep. That'd be the cleanest way to go.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Move between section two and three, because we're in section three right now.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: BGS can move within their section. Okay. This would be considered more the money is is the money for something like this, Emily, going to you folks, or is it going to the agency of human services? You guys are doing the work.

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: I'll send you.

[Unidentified Member]: So, lines are white. I'm sorry.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, would BGS be able to move money between projects in Section three, or is that up to the Agency of Human

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: I

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: have you two have the repo and in there we did contemplate giving BGS crediting statute to give them flexibility, or if they're in charge of

[Unidentified Member]: a project, if they did do it. But

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: they wouldn't be in charge of the WISOC, I don't believe.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: No, I don't know. I'm just saying, if this is a problem moving between the agency and DCF, if BGF is in control, we might want to consider that. Well,

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: let's keep that in the back of our minds. But are people supportive of credit and failures coming to the boiler? Yes. Yeah. Mhmm.

[Unidentified Member]: Okay.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And then the DCF thing. I really don't know what to do on that. I've got

[Unidentified Member]: some I

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: saw that.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: I want to see the language that I'm considering, but I do not I'm very interested in not keeping not stalling any potential for a new stabilization facility.

[Unidentified Member]: It's been long enough.

[Rep. Mary A. Morrissey]: But there's got to be a plan, and I'm not saying take the money and stall it. I'm saying there's got to be a plan because you can't have three in one building and a couple over here and there. We've got to have a plan in place. So DCF has to do

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: I've good job as got

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: the language, but I want to ship it off. I don't want to get going on this right now. It's going to be too complicated for folks. But

[Unidentified Member]: okay.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Make sure I get the right four sixteen. On and before August and through December, they need to report to joint justice oversight through the Agency of Human Services in consultation with DCF and BGS to report to Justice Oversight on its plan to develop the Greenmount Youth Campus, including its progress on a complete unambiguous written analysis with the estimated cost of an annual operating budget for full utilization. The proposed 41 bed high end system of care, because that's your bigger picture of which is 14 beds in it. Then in FY '27, DCF, MBGS shall not expend funds for further development at the Green Mountain Youth campus unless and until the chairs of the house approves institutions, healthcare and human services. And Senate committees on approach health and welfare and institution approve the written analysis in subsection a of this section. That's what's being proposed to be put in appropriations and that's what I want wanted to take a look at my goal was not to hurt the FY twenty seven seven hundred thousand. But the thinking is, if we can do this language that by the end of our session, we will know what the operating costs are, and then the money would be released. We'll talk. I don't want but that's kind of the thinking right now, but I want the I want BTS to take a look at it. K. So I would keep right now that 700 plus right over here. Yeah. Okay. That's what I wanted to go through because we kinda have picked up other things. So that gave Scott some time.

[Unidentified Member]: I'm sure this is clarify on March 28, the board of company's back beside.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So James is gonna be up. You have to reach the Persian Conference Committee. Yep. So we so tomorrow morning, we need to be here by eleven by 08:30. We have an amendment percolating. Good old Conor.

[Unidentified Member]: Bring it. Bring it on.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Bring it on. Today, Ben Donahue and Brian Chino

[Unidentified Member]: Oh, okay.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: To allow on the working group to work with DOC to figure out about the teleportations that have current. Also at victim law were there? Brian as well? Well,

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: I was talking about this with Brian and Gina. He didn't bring this in. McGuire did. We're the Committee of Jurisdiction for Correction, which includes the incarcerated. And I'm fully on board with making sure victims have a voice. But I don't know if I need a victim's voice as it determines whether or not we're giving incarcerated more access or better access to teleportation.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Don't want them connecting the victims.

[Unidentified Member]: I know that. We can protect.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We are already.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Yeah. I mean, yeah. We're going have call lists. Yeah, absolutely. That's where I am on that. But I guess if we added victims or a victims advocate group, that's not gonna be a deal breaker by any means. But it's already a very robust list.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So for new folks, you haven't been through this before. So when a bill comes out of our committee and then there's a four amendment to be offered, we weigh in on that amendment. So the sponsors of the amendment need to come before us tomorrow morning at 08:30, because we're on the floor at 09:30, and they will walk us through the amendment. And we work with them, we talk with them, what's your intent, we ask questions, the whole nine yards. And then we have to decide, are we supportive of the amendment? Would we like some changes to them to do the amendment? Or are we not supportive of the amendment? And then that's action that we're gonna have to take tomorrow. We're gonna have them revoke. And then Conor will then have to relay on the floor after they propose their amendment on the floor what the committee results were on that, what the committee vote was on. Whether we favor that or not favor it. We'll have to meet tomorrow morning at 08:30 to go through that amendment.

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: Sometimes it kills a bill.

[Unidentified Member]: Yeah, sometimes

[Emily (Deputy Commissioner, Buildings and General Services)]: we need

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We to pay good gotta do it at 08:30. I know there's other meetings going on. I'm gonna be having a meeting at some point with Amy Sheldon, Mark McAuley, Legis Council John Gray, and Michael Brady They about the have some real concerns about that language and how it's going to impact the current priority list. The municipalities are already in the hopper to receive state money for sewer projects. So we'll have a new spreadsheet tomorrow. We're not doing it now.

[Unidentified Member]: I'm happy to work on it tonight and get it to you tonight, but if tomorrow morning works for you out

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It may be later in the morning because we got stuff on the floor. And I know John is going all over the place. I don't we're not gonna have language. I don't believe tomorrow is too much in the hopper, but I wanna get Forest and Parks in here tomorrow, if possible, to go over some language that they want.

[Unidentified Member]: They said they're illegal this morning.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Who? They're unavailable? Totally, even for ten minutes?

[Unidentified Member]: The commissioner is. Yes.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Is there anyone that could come in and talk to because we're getting we're getting the bill out. They need to know what's going on for them. I

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: think they're meeting on the issue on Tuesday. They want to they want to wait till after.

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, need to have some heads up on what they're looking for, because this is new to the committee and we can put on what you can say is this new to the committee, we have to put it in the capital bill, so we need the overall discussion of what the issue is. Right. And then we can finalize the language after they meet with the parties on Tuesday. Sure. So that's what I've been phrasing. So the committee can at least come up to speed. Okay. For some other. You know, I'm gonna ping my desk.

[Unidentified Member]: I mean, the TCU. So And do So

[Rep. Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: so tomorrow, 08:30, and then but be prepared to work in the afternoon. I don't wanna work late late, but we need to put in some hours tomorrow afternoon because we gotta get this puppy out beginning of next week. K? Yep. Let's go on the floor. Let's go

[Shawn Sweeney (Committee Clerk)]: out