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[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We do Marco.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: You're live.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Welcome back, House. This is South Corrections and Institutions Committee. It is Friday, January 23. And we are with Laura Fishman with historic preservation, and we're going to be discussing roadside markers. And the governor's recommended budget of putting in 45,000, we had 25,000 in for FY '27. Laura, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: If I can get my presentation up. Here we go. Thank you. I am Laura Treishman, the State Historic Preservation Officer. And one of the many programs that we have is the Roadside Historic Site Markers. It's a wonderful program that gets a little bit of history all over the place. The work history. Yes, yes. The vendor who makes the markers has it on his website that it's history on a stick.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: And I just thought
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: that was something. That's very positive.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: History on a stick.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yes. So just a little reminder, this is a program that started in 1947 by the legislature picking out Crossing around. The five of these original marketers in one place. Resistive by a couple of these.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. They both did marriage.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: So 12 ago, we had two fourteen markers. And as of today, we have three sixty two either placed or at foundry in production. The process usually takes a couple years as we work through the text. We try to make sure that facts are correct and the select boards are all on board. Everyone knows these markers are coming. We don't like to surprise communities with markers. It's very inclusive conversations. And we also then work with VTrans in the town garages, the property owners, depending on where the markers are getting placed to make sure that they don't block the killer traffic or they're not blocking anything else that needs to be visible and that it's safe for people to pull over. Some of the markers I wanted to call out to you today that we started in 'twenty four, if not a little earlier than that, and installed last year and are about to be installed for this year are up on the screen. Things like the Burlington Country Club and the Wobanaki Golf Club. That was a proposal for two different markers. The Wobanaki Golf Club is where the Shaws is located now. And we thought we didn't want that, the marker program to become like cemetery markers. So this marker has it on both sides, and it's over in front of the Burlington Country Club because the story went from the golf club to the country club. It's all combined. We have the village of Pittsford Mills I wanna call out because the bridge right there, if you go down Route 7 through Pittsford is under construction still. The marker supposed to go closer to where the bridge was, and that was the site of a covered bridge, no longer in existence, obviously. But the marker has been put up just beyond the gas station that's right there. The owner allowed us to install it temporarily on his property. So the Vermont Country Store got a marker done in Weston. The Shoreham High School had a big reunion and a marker unveiling at the same time, which was quite wonderful. A couple others that I wanted to call out, Ralph Waldo That is not supposed to say Ellison.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Ellison.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yes, I see it now.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's alright.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Ralph Waldo Ellison, I will fix that. Which you can see here in the picture, wrote the first part of Invisible Man while he was visiting with friends. And the barn where he was when he wrote it is no longer there. The foundation is there. But the house where he was staying with his friends is still there, and the family is still there. And they were really very excited. We had a great unveiling, shut down the roads and everything for that one. So that probably one of the longer markers that took us to get moving. And that was because it is on private property and we needed the property owner, which is one of the ski resorts. And they were like, wait, what? You want to do what? So they were at the unveiling, which was really very exciting. I will say that we're getting a lot of Vermont businesses. So Vermont Country Store, Bag Balm, got a marker. These are businesses that have really made a statement in Vermont and nationally. So I don't want you to think that we're giving every business a marker.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: How do you feel about the businesses getting the marker?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I think the ones that have gotten them really make sense. Yes, they do meet the criteria. And we have set criteria, and we've got a committee that reviews these, and then they always go to the advisory council. And there are some members who've said no to markers. And I get it, you're right. I have another question.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I do have a question. It's not it's it could be asked any time, but Yeah, please. I have a question about the businesses. I'll tell you that. I was asked to ask you if you felt that VTrans was keeping up the spaces around your signs appropriately for people to be able to view them? There's no hidden context to that. It just happens to be the trans person that asked me that.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: That's a very good question because there's one that I've been asked to relocate because nobody can get to it because it is not maintained.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So was it up to the transportation agency to maintain them?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yes. Because they're in state right of ways.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay. So it would be mowing, basically. Yes. But the maintaining of them if they get destroyed is in It's us. So it's just it's mowing around it and the visibility. And snow in AOTs right away?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: No. So they're either in the the town right of ways.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So the town would be responsible?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yes. Or they're on private property, and we have a memorandum of agreement where they maintain the property. They're aware people will be coming on their property. But again, we still own the markers.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So on the one that we're referring to, can you tell me which one that is? I can't remember off the top of my head. Can you give it to me somehow so I can get it to the person who wants to know who's
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I think it's John Vincent Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I'll follow with up with A. O. T. I know they intentionally put them in locations where they can maintain the grounds and they won't be too close to the road so they're not impacted by the snowplows. I've lost a couple that way.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Done my job for the day. Thank you.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: A couple that I wanted to also point out, Mtrap Family Lodge and Resort will be getting their marker to celebrate their seventy five years here. And also, the Masiskoit Village is a replacement marker. We had to rewrite it. It talked very much about white settlement being the first, and we needed to fix that. We took a lot longer than we should have because we were trying to get one side of it translated into Abenecti, but there's different agreements on what words mean. So we went with the French version because it is up in Swanton.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Great. Okay. So if I'm still functioning, it should
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Hey. Are you a wizard?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It should just be I can take a look. It should just be from your.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: You can get out of it.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Maybe try stop sharing and just redo it.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Reboot it. Yeah. That's my best guess. Me a few slides, so sorry about this.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It feels unplugged. It's wrong, I'll delete back in the day.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: All else fails, unplugged, reboot.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: There we go. Okay. What I did want to point out to you is the two hundred fiftieth anniversary commemorative markers is quite a list that we've been putting together over the past few years in anticipation of the two hundred fiftieth that started last year with the capture of Fort Ticonderoga, goes through this year with the signing of Declaration of Independence. And next year in Vermont is really our banner year. So we've been trying to put up markers, quite honestly, have been there in the first place. But also spread the story so that it's not just Ethan Allen or his cousins remember Baker or Seth Warner, but I was surprised that neither of them had markers. So we put those up. By the monument.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: By the way, everyone goes.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Mhmm.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yep. Right next to the monument. But we're expanding the stories to little known people like in Underhill. He worked very closely with George Washington. Ann's story in Shelburne. She was a friend of the Green Mountain Boys and protected them and had a cave where she would hide their ammunitions and she would get secrets from the British. Leonard Lord is going to be the first marker dedication in April. The ground will probably still be frozen, but he was the first Vermonter killed in the first world war. So we're not just looking at the revolutionary war, the Declaration of Independence, the Green Mountain Boys. We're looking beyond that to women's stories, Native Americans, African Americans, but spreading it to other wars and how we became who we are in in Vermont. This is also resulting in a rewrite of the Calvin Coolidge marker, which will tell the story on the back of the tourism that has taken place there since 1920. And then the William Slade marker, all the paint just fell off.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I I
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: can't explain it.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I think it was done the same Well, it but
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: it doesn't always take those things.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's like
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: a period there. The foundry admits they changed the recipe on their paint, and they have covered the cost of replacing all of those. Yeah. Those covers. Jamie and I drove by the William Slate, and I was like, did that look funny to you? You need to turn around. And then Royalton Raid was another one. There were two murders related to that, one in Royalton and one in Tunbridge that we just took down, because they were a little harsh in their description of the raid and killing and the Native Americans' perspective on that. We want to rewrite those. Not the history, but rewrite Different words. Exactly.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Exactly. I think we have a question here.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Just a quick one. Why are only a few with registered trademarks? Those are the replacements.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Oh, replacement. Yeah. The computer changed those to the registered trademark. Yes. So it costs about $3,000 for a new marker, and that includes the poll. That is for those that have different stories on either side. It's a little cheaper, like 2,700 if it has the same text on either side. These are breakaway poles. We've worked with V Trans to get the best poles so that if somebody runs into it, it will crumble, and the marker will fly away from the vehicle.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Great.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: New markers that we've done last year and this year, we have 28 new markers. Again, the commemoration of the two hundred fiftieth has boosted the number of applications. So the 28,
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: when you say this year, is that the calendar year or is that the fiscal year? Fiscal year. By the end of this fiscal year, one fiscal year.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I want 28 new ones in the group.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 28 new ones. You anticipate more coming in? Yes. Before the end of the fiscal year?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Not for payment in this fiscal year. No.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we put in, in this current fiscal year, 25,000 for you. And you have 28 markers in there. I know you were running pretty tight last year when you came in.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: We used a little bit of money from the two fiftieth commission, but they they are not getting any funding. So any new ones need to be supported related to the two fiftieth by some other organization or or us. The ones that are related to the state historic sites are being, like the Calvin Coolidge one, are being paid for out of the special fund from the state historic sites. We do have nine marker replacements, and that could be anywhere from painting to a full replacement of the marker. If the cap breaks, we can't reuse it. If the seal breaks off the top, we can't reuse it. But otherwise, the foundry has been very good to fix bullet holes or change a number here and there. And that's been wonderful. So repainting to full replacement is anywhere from $10.20 to 24,000. So knowing that this was going to be a difficult year, I was going to say I dug into my I bad looked at what I already had. We have unmarked burial funding from 'twenty one that we have been carrying over and over along with, as you can see at the bottom of the slide, funding from 'twenty three and 'twenty four for the unmarked burial. We need funding for the unmarked burial. I've had conversations with the agency of administration, whether the capital bill is the place for that money, because we don't use it until we need it.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: We've done
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: it before.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: We tend to sit on the money and then we have to fully justify, which is fine because it's easy to do. With the reallocation of this 30 one, taking 20 of that to roadside markers brings it up to 45. So it's not totally asking for new money, it's moving money from one pocket and then giving you back the leftover, which still leaves us with a healthy $50,000 for unmarked periods, just in case. Because the last time we zeroed that out, we found 17 unmarked periods.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. That does acumarate. That's what she
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Just a real quick reminder for any of us, including myself, they don't remember. What is the end market? Like, do you can you explain it?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's a jump start. What I'm most like
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I know. They got bumps. Shares bumps. Is just random people or is it?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, it could be a gravesite, but you didn't know what's there when you've done construction.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Because you just moved into some select location and Yes.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: So it was used in 2020 when they found 17 remains in a backyard in Burlington. Somebody was putting in an addition to their house, and they found a skull and everything stopped. And the state coroner showed up, and he's like, Nope, that's historic. So that's when we take over the site. And we have to pay for the excavation, And then either to house them somewhere, but legally, we're not allowed to have them. So they usually go to UVM Consulting Archaeology Program. I don't like to leave remains on the shelf. So in this case, these were War of eighteen twelve soldiers, and there were already another 25, I think, on their shelves from V Trans Project on North Avenue. So then we moved them all over to Lakeview Cemetery. We have a crypt there so we can add more if we find board eighteen twelve soldiers. It's also used for not just the archaeology, the excavation, the storage. It is used for great goods related to Native American burials, the reburial of those. It's for the surprises. And if if there's a cemetery
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yep.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: That has defined boundaries, this funding does not kick in for that, even if there's something that's unmarked and under the street. If we know there's a cemetery there, that's different funding.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Thank you. Because we we were doing an addition to the courthouse in Saint Johnsbury, and we ran into a burial site that we didn't know was there. Yeah. At the building, there were things in Franklin County with Native Americans. Were doing construction up there and ran into it. So we started this program probably, I would say, in the late nineties. Yes. Sometime in the nineties, we started this to help with unmarked burials. Because you never know that BGS could be doing a construction. Like, for a Newport Courthouse, they could do something and Right. Come into a burial site.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: We did That was a cemetery, and they were supposed to have been moved. And then they were surprised when they did an addition and found the body said
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: not Thank
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: you for that baseline. You. I'm gonna dig up both. Appreciate it. On this note, it's totally unrelated to Rep Donahue and her work with the defunct mental institution.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: We've Yes. Yes. So she well, no, it's not separate because she's been doing some of the work, we've used some of the funds to do some GPS work to identify if in fact it was a cemetery where the paperwork is suggesting it was, and it wasn't. So she's still looking. But yes, we're in partner with her. This would be the fund that would be used. And I would say that $50,000 is not enough, but it's not nothing. And it would get us there if we have an emergency where something is found. The 21 money is wrapped old. The
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 21 from the unmarked burials, that's in FY21, 31,003 homes being reallocated. And what the administration is doing is pulling 20,000 of that to add to our 25. How many I did I haven't done the math, but is that increase going to cover what you have now Mhmm. Before f y twenty seven. So 25,000 in f y twenty six. Is that gonna cover what you've got going right now, which is 28 new markers, eight are at the foundry, And then you've got some replacement markers where three are at the foundry. And depending when those 28 and those nine get to the foundry, do you have enough in FY '26 to carry you with what you've had previously? At the 25,000? No. I'm I'm at 31,000 if all of those at the foundry go into production. The eight at the foundry?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Eight plus the three replacements. Yeah.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So you're at 31 k for FY '26.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I would have to stop them or find other funding.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So eight at the foundry, it would be 31,000 if they go to completion and installation.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So with the 45, you're good, but not with the 25? Correct. This
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: would give me leeway to do maybe four new ones. I do have 28 active applications, and then I've got 11 on hold. But I can
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Is that an active versus an on hold?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yeah. People have They keep emailing me, Where's my marker? Where's my marker? And they have dates they want to be dedicating them by. So we do try to prioritize if there's something related to the two hundred fiftieth or there's an anniversary of an event or something like that.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Let's go back to this don't
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: have an active applicant anymore.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Go
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: back to this sheet. For fiscal year, is this fiscal year 'twenty five and 'twenty six, or just when you say 'twenty five to 'twenty six, is that FY 'twenty five and FY 'twenty six?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Just trying to get a time frame here. This is taking to the end of fiscal year twenty six.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You have 28 new markers in that time frame. Yes. Of which only eight of them have not been completed? Correct. And then in that time period, you had nine replacement markers of which only three need completion. The others have been completed. Correct. That's just what I wanted to clear. Okay. To do the eight that are remaining, you're using f y $26 to do that. You have 25,000. You have nothing further in your account from previous capital bills? No. So you're 6,000 behind FY '26.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Correct.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Then you have three at the foundry. Are you anticipating that to be done by June?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yes.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: How much are those? Do you know?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I would say they're probably 2,000 a piece. I'm not sure if they're repainting. I don't think they are repainting. I think they're replacements.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So another $6, basically, roughly.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: That's what I was estimating when I came to '31.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You're about 30 Oh, you were estimating that within the '31?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Because the age is 24,000.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: If it's at 3,000. Who pays for the installation?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: You do. Sometimes. Atrans does it because they're wonderful. And town garages do it for free as well. And we do it if it's on private property. But if I can't get it done, we do have to contract up.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: How much does it usually cost? It's usually
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: like a thousand dollars.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Someone has to call DigSafe and sometimes meet them there and make sure it's all marked.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: it takes several people. I have a fabulous picture of VTRENS. There's like four of them standing next to a marker they just installed. It's a 12 foot pole and a 200 pound marker.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'm just thinking.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Are they giving me opportunity to raise money? Because I'm and I'm not saying that it's a small amount, but $3,000 for a marker probably isn't the steep, you know, real steep climb for a lot of communities and especially
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: the Are
[Unidentified Committee Member]: they given a timeframe where they can raise some of their money back? Or is it better to do it in the past?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Is it better to do it? Internally through you. I mean
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: We're always ready, willing and able if they want to assist in paying for the production of the markers.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Is that somewhat suggested to possibly?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: It is a SCAPE program, so I don't suggest it right out of the gate, but I do mention it. And then there are marketers that are this list that are a result of mitigation for projects that didn't go exactly like they were supposed to, and they pay for it.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Are you allowed to take donations for these?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: The state historic sites are allowed to take donations. So I guess within the division, we are. Yes.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So you've got 25,000 for FY '26. The request is 45,000 for '27. You're about $66,000 short
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: At the moment with those eight.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Would you be able to hold with the 20,000 additional, the 45,000, would you be able to tap into that to pay your '26 commitment? So right now, the governor's recommending 45,000 for f y '27. Would you pull some money from that 45,000 to cover your '26? Yes. And that leaves less for '27. Yes, probably about 4 or five. Markers or thousands?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: No, markers in addition after I spent all. Okay. That would be like 15. Yeah. Yes. We usually do 10 a year, and the number of requests is becoming two, three times.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So you usually do 10 a year. And from the time of a request to the actual getting to approval, how long does that take?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Usually? On average, it can take probably a year and a half. The problem is the installation, the ground being frozen and all that, like the Leonard Lloyd and Swanton, the poll was put in on October. The marker will show up in March.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So you usually see 10 a year. Now you're seeing how many approximately?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I'm easily seeing 20 requests a year. Yeah. So last year, I can't remember how many we did. I wanna say that we were definitely in the twenties, and this year with 28. Some of that's the 250 commemoration of all? Yes. The two hundred and fiftieth covered the costs for three of them.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Do you deny? I mean, it goes through a vetting. Do you deny any requests? Not often. No. No. Maybe in
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: the past twelve years, there's five that we've denied. We usually work with the applicant to rewrite the text. And we've got the strong criteria that it's gotta meet right out of the gate. The dedications are all covered by the applicant, so we're not paying for any of that. It's just the marker. I just It's the marker itself.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yes. The poll. Right. And how much does a pole cost? About 1,000? No, pole is We buy them in bulk.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: The prices of metal obviously have been going up. I think they're about $350 a piece. We tend to buy about 15 of them at once and keep them in the warehouse.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Questions?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: This
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: this makes you wonder why there's so many requests coming in. But people see them and say, oh, I never thought.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Again, I think the $2.50 fee But
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: it didn't come out. The 2 they didn't
[Unidentified Committee Member]: come out this far. Right?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: The two fiftieth commission paid for, I think it was three of them, then they don't have any more funding.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But it came out of here. Mhmm. Well, the $2.50 is a blip. Correct. Yes. Anything else? Anything else, Laura?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: With
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Fredericks got other things.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I can come back and talk about other things
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: definitely with you. We'll see where we go again. You know the drill. Mark up, you know the drill. So it has increased by 20,000. The way the administration looks at it, they've pulled some reallocated money for that. We kinda don't think of it that way because we just see that reallocated total just go to the bottom line and then we divide it up.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Shawn? Just really quick. Is there like a are people is is there a handout that tells people all these markers around the states they can go look. There is, right?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Yes, there's an active map. Oh, that's cool. And there's a full inventory that's organized by the date they're put in so that those that are trying to see all of them can find all the new ones.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: That's cool.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Oh, Oh, yes. And the news has been covering this too. And then there's another list that organizes them by towns.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. No. I think that's a I think it's a brilliant program. So yeah.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: I think we're probably about 90 shy of having one in every town or village.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: And so we we sound to work for.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Got 90 more coming. Anything else? Thank you. Thank you very much.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: You make it work.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So for the committee, we're not going anywhere. Yeah. But, you know, one more thing I really wanna get done because we're on a tight schedule for this. This appeals to government operations. Thank you. Our reports, we get the updated confusion at the beginning. Another re that other one sheet report on. So, Tate, can you put up on the screen what we worked with with Tucker this morning?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yes.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You're sorry. You're good. Have you Scott, have you talked to James Duffy about possibly coming in next week? That would be good. Because Catherine texted me a lot last night. Okay. Talking about budgeting.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Think that this could be great. Looks so much nice.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. Looking for this. Remember he talked, you could look at you could go to these links. Mhmm. And then we can break the plug.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: And I worked on
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: it then.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So while he's getting that set up
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Hold you for a second.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You got this sheet photos. I sat down with Tucker Anderson this morning. So we said it expires. How come we're looking at this if it is to be it was to be removed or reviewed. It was to be reviewed, and it wasn't. That's instead
[Unidentified Committee Member]: of expired?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It was just to be reviewed, and it didn't happen during those legislative Okay. So Tate is putting it up on our screen.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. I'm not being able to click
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: on the links. You're not able to click on the links? It's the most important thing to
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: do. Can you email to us? Well, is this the thing from Thursday?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We have the sheet. Yeah. But you gotta what you can do for the citation
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Thursday.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Can click on to that link, and then it opens it
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: up. Wow.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And I
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That would say, in theory.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: In theory. And then I was doing it this morning, and then it didn't work.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: And most of them are working. But you
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: can't do it on the screen?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's alright. Let's see what
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: we can do on the big screen because
[Unidentified Committee Member]: I want to open some of them this morning.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It's garlic copper scrap. That's a good question. Can we, they're all working except for the protein? I'll
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: go over this. So while he's putting this up, you've got this form. So the citation is in blue. Okay, that's where you can find it.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: And it was
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: amended in '12. But if you go to the link, I'm pretty sure it shows what it was amended to. Well, that's why we're looking at it. So we look at the report when we finally bring it up. And we got the three columns to the right there. We want it repealed. We want to extend it. It's report is useful, but not permanent permanent importance, and therefore should continue until next report's review. You give it like another year or two.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Let me ask a question. Have they been doing it since they amended it?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It expired. The review expired in 2017, and it has not been reviewed since.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: What's been required since 2017. I don't see.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay, so they want to know, do we repeal it? Do we continue to extend it? Or do we retain it permanently? Those are the three questions to ask of each of these reports.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: The first one I repeal. Do we not have testimony that would come in? Hang
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: on.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: The go
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: so we read it, if we can open that
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: for First one, I can't get into that. No,
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: you don't want to do that.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I can open any of them except the first one.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay. So the second one I opened this morning. So let's open that one. This report was repealed. So this one wasn't caught. You see quarterly and annual reports audit repealed. That was already repealed. For some reason, it got put in here. So that one's already been repealed. So let's go to the next one. I put the check mark repeal. So the second one deals with portable water, wastewater rules. And let's go down and see the it's hard to see because you can't read it. Where is the report section? It is section and it's e, go down to e, you're at a, keep going, keep going, keep going. You went by it. There. Folks, secretary would review and if necessary revise the rules. And this is number three. The Technical Advisory Committee provide annual reports. The reports will include information on the following topics, rules adopted, number of alternative innovative systems, approved for pilot projects, and let's go up a little bit to experimental use fundamental.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Before that, I
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: have a question. So when you're ready.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yep. So it says they're under review. So now what I wanna know, for example, about this one. Is this saying since it hasn't been reviewed that every is issuing this report or is it just sitting dormant?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So you look when due. You look when due. Right. See that. Annually on January 15.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: But my question is, has anybody been actually doing this or is it sitting dormant?
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: We don't know.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's my question. Thank you.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We don't know. So the question, we do fund some of these systems through the cap.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's why it's here. Will was born on 01/15/2003. It just needs to be stated in number three right there. Yes. Yes. I think that's just reports of liberal update.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: I use one.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: After appeal, the junior number
[Unidentified Committee Member]: They have a present report that has any of the reports that have any of this information in it. We've gotta be receiving something as for the length of time it's been, whatever it's saying.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Maybe since Facebook?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. No. The USANR. So if there was a report submitted, it would have been sent to our committee, and Tate would have gotten a report. Does this ring a bell at all? Can you
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We can look at our reports page.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. Let's go to our web page and see.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Well, I mean, would would a fair question be, has this committee reviewed that report in the last when's the last time we reviewed that particular report? Since 2007. I'd like all the reports that have been
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. I agree
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: with Troy. It's been in a closet for nine years. You haven't
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: worn It's Friday afternoon.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So I just
[Unidentified Committee Member]: can go home. What were we trying to say? Repeal it.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Is.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Previously. First, he was. It would be under A and R, implementation of portable water.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It's up there.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. It's not there.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: I know we repeal this.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Repeal it? Yeah. Okay.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: We got a second wrong favor.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Let's go to the next one.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Alright. Harold Frank, I won't see my going to Troy. I think we're the same thing.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We are in
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: are
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 20.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: You
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: gotta well, no. Where you yeah. Go all the way down to Section 20. Improvements at domestic violence shelters funded by the capital appropriation. We did this way back. Section 20 is probably towards the back. Keep going. Keep going. Annually, on or before December 1, the Vermont, okay, we did so, no?
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Up a little bit. And is it stressed?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah, in forward part, state capital appropriations would decay.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we have not received anything. I would We're not doing it anymore. I'm not gonna repeal that.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Second.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'm gonna repeal. We're not gonna repeal. So let's go to the next one. 28 BSA. Yep. Implementation of notice of community placements during the preceding twelve months. That is 104 E.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's putting someone back into the community. Okay, cool. We've been getting that report. We're going find out.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Let's look DOC, Correctional Facility Work Programs and Fiscal Operation. That don't exist.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Effective May 14.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I'm just wondering if that is useful information, and I can't come up with a reason why it would be for the committee anyway.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, the pressure is this came as a result. The pressure was that you're releasing folks into our community that did not come from our community, and DOC is putting more pressure on our community and making our community unsafe. Remember that argument? Came from Barrie, came from Springfield, came from other communities. And I think this is a way to address it. And it percolates up. Once in a while, it will percolate up. You've got people, a high concentration of DOC in our community, and we don't want them because they didn't come from here. That's where that
[Unidentified Committee Member]: came from. My concern with all of these is that they are so old. The information would be possibly pertinent to what we're talking about today with these sheets.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: This is supposed to be an annual report every January. We have not been getting it.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Right, we haven't since.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: For me, I could probably foresee a benefit to having this report handy if we get those kinds of questions.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, Tay, can you bring it up so we can also see A? You see B
[Unidentified Committee Member]: and C. Would we be getting the 2020 and not a
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: No, they have to do a report.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It hasn't been reviewed.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: During the preceding twelve months, isn't it?
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Right, and I understand that, but have we gotten one since 2020? That's why I'm saying we've had this jump of five or six years, so is the information, that's what I'm trying to say, be relevant to what we're now talking about.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So what the department's required to do, regardless of a report, they will provide notice when appropriate and at their discretion to effective state county local criminal justice entities and local legislative bodies for the purpose of public input and enhancing offender reintegration into the community whenever the offender is released under furlough. So some of this is because you've got sex offenders reentering the community.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: But this is not specific to that. This is Right.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But some of this Anybody. But some of this was probably driven by the sex offender language, the sex offender.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I don't feel the need for the community to have information anytime anyone has been released even further. That to me is a privacy concern.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, it does have DOC's sole discretion.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Actually, in the furlough, didn't it say they had to report to the, at least, law enforcement to let them know?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I don't know.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Frankly speaking, if somebody came to me wanting this information, I feel pretty confident I could call DOC, and they could use their discretion as to whether or not they want to give me a I don't think we need a report.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No, think you don't need that
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: to think about it.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's what I said. We ready to repeat that? Yes. In
[Unidentified Committee Member]: half of the third. That's
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: what it said. Okay. Let's go to the next one. This is coming from BGS, condition of property management revolving fund. We backfilled this last year, one of these management funds. Coming from BGS, Property management revolving fund. We did get the annual report this year.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So let's keep it. Do we look at it?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Do we need it? Looking at it? This is the monies are appropriate to the fund. This, if you remember, if we're leasing property, that department pays the lease. But it's our management fund that pays it up front, and then they get reimbursed by the department. Remember BGS saying the other day? Yes. So that's what this property management revolving fund is. And there was a hole in it of millions of dollars a few years ago, and we had to increase. I think it was I don't know if it was a BAA for the state budget or the budget new fiscal year. No, because
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: it hadn't kept up with
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: It kept up.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Lease rates.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I can't remember specifically when. It was like two or three years. I think you were on the it was recent.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I kind of see it.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It like was a $10,000,000 hole. But
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: given the current climate of housing review and space review, this might not be a bad idea to Right.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: To keep it or get rid of it.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Keep it.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Why don't we say extend until next reports review?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yes.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Once again, I'm going to Yes.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We just got that.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We just got it. Okay, next one. This is county requests received and the court administrators recommend for proposed capital.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: We kind of went over that quite a bit last year. Yeah.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We did.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yes. We get those, but we have it, but we get it through the capital bill. Yeah. So that we need
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: to get that. We do
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: need it because we do fund cap No. I mean, we need it, but they bring it when they
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So we retain it? Maybe because they're required to. Right.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: would retain it personally.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We possibly retain it. We don't know what the county is requesting.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We worked on this last year. Yeah. That was the easiest one to try. Good question.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we're retained?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yes. Yeah.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Next one. Improvements at domestic violence shelters. Oh, here we go again.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Can't put them to school?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. So you gotta go you know what? Can we pull out the white you know
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: why? We
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: gotta go to the white books. 2017. Did someone pull out your white book for 2037?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We don't know on that. He should have pulled it up on there. So we don't know why that's right.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: 2017. And then he's gonna
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: go to act one thirty one.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Alright. I can hear it.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: It is postponed to 2020.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We're just cutting back on something.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. This is the wrong one. It was amended.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Okay.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And if you look at the column amended, 2017 act one thirty one postponed to 2020.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It'll be, 2017 act one thirty one.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I don't think we can click on to that.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Try to look it up. See if
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: that's quicker than Joe.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It probably is. If we receive it.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I received anything. I mean, I know why we did it.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I would go to that first one, and then go to bill as inactive.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, but we don't know what section.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: And then I would just do
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: control I'd
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: love page two. Improvements at domestic violence. I
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: find the word search doesn't work. Organic chemicals. This is in the wrong
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It's not
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: This is not this isn't the right.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Said 1131. Oh, because this is 2024. That was
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Yeah. You got postponed to 2020.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But it's act it was 2017, act one thirty one.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Is that the capital bill?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yes. I can go.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The act should be listed in numerical order. The 2017?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: We're gonna want it to be under '27. It was postponed to 2020, I think.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. It was yeah. The report was postponed to 2020. But it was in 2017 that the language was done. So it's not in 2020. It's 2018.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. It'd be 1617. So
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: that was the capital bill.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It was 1892 that we're oh, this one? Remember?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So then we don't know what section it's in. One of seven pages. So it says, just scroll down. Keep going.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Starting here.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's neat. Yeah. Keep going. Keep going.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I'm not finding it at all.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, if we've not responded. We repealed up above the improvements at domestic violence shelters funded by capital appropriations. We deleted that one up above. So do we delete this? Yes. I think we should.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Off of his head.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Off of his
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: head. Like it. Chop chop. That's the highest. Chop nineteen eighty five. The blades shop.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: They're another well, we already got rid of it, Joe. Okay.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: But there's nothing above 85.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Well, think
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Pretrial services. Look at that. It's not They've been in the form of some.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Let's go to 2014 2008 post.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Just gotta click on this.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You gotta go to 2008.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I already didn't have any answers. Let
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: me see if I can find it. So, Conor, can you pull me out the white book for 2018?
[Conor Casey (Member)]: Yeah.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The axe.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Is there two books or one? There's two. Evaluate goals and performance of pretrial services. Is that what we saw today?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No, it's different. Okay.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I opened it up on here and it says report requirements reviewed.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No, 01/1954.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: That's it, twenty eighteen, one hundred fifty four.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: And it was moved. It's an annual report.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And postponed to 2022. Free trial services? Free trial services is done. We put that in as a result of justice reinvestment.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: From page nine of that act?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So I'm starting from the back. Reports repeal the way.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I hope the word report appeared a little higher up there. A report on number of states. No, it's down there. It's down there. Section. Reimbursement from my own.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: All
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: right, here. Go to page 15. 15. Yeah. We just got them on page nine.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You got a Department of Corrections Staffing Study.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: F1. Okay, gotcha. It's right there. Yep. It's on the screen, Alice.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: The two t shirt. Section three. This
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: shows a different section. Completely. This shows a whole different section. You're in why did that show a whole different section?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: How did this start?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We did a lot of pretrial services. 2020. Department. So is that the department of DOC? Yeah.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's what they were saying.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Haven't received anything. We did a lot of pretrial services at the courthouse for folks that's similar to the accountability court. We did that way back as justice reinvestment.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So you want to extend this one?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: They're not doing it anymore because we didn't continue to fund.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Oh, I see. So that's a repeal? That in October, it was postponed to 2022.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Right. But it started in 2018.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's when that's when it was initially
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Right. That's what was. Together.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. 2014 is when it was initially put together. If you
[Unidentified Committee Member]: look in the blue
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: Mhmm. You
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: have. And then in 2018, act one fifty four, it was postponed. Mhmm. So
[Unidentified Committee Member]: we've gotten we haven't gotten any sense.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We haven't gotten anything.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It's a repeal
[Unidentified Committee Member]: of this head.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Mary's saying that. Next one is still an act one of 2018. So the pre charge?
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we repealed that one. Yep. And the next one
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: is Same act.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Same act. Pre charge programs. We're repealing.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: They
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: always report to us their activities and finances the previous year, because we always do have a BHCB request in our capital bill.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That's where
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I was holding on.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: That's where
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: you're money, sure. So extend, yep. Extend or keep?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Keep, retain. Retain.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And then there's that 2018. Temporary employees in
[Unidentified Committee Member]: the You can show that one.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Chopping Temporary employees. From the bottom. So that's a repeal. That's a repeal. Yep. So the next one, they
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: do give us the ten year program plan usually when they submit the capital budget.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's done at the beginning.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Before was doing all a lot of work.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. But I don't see it in a bit
[Unidentified Committee Member]: or not. They just framed it all in.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Don't expect any So the last one chairs. Very performative. Wow. He he grants it to chairs. So what does that even mean? It means that there were some chairs
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: They would report to the chairs.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: It wouldn't go to the Who said chairs? So
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: how much What is let's click on let's click on to the blue. I'd like to see department of public safety. That's from 2018. It's capital bill. Worded Yeah. To Sometimes we do that. I need to look at the line.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I thought you knew.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Can we go to keep scrolling down. You gotta go to the heading for You public gotta go to public safety. Renovating +1 Jerry.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: You can read that. Yep. Page 29.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Sub 29. Okay. Yeah. Section 26.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Then 34, section 16. Yeah, page 34.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That's the capital bill.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Section E. The curfewingness.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. Sometimes it's easy.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So you'll make less money.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay, hang on. So notice under this section. So let's go up. It's under this section. So let's go up to the beginning. Hang on. Troy not Troy. T, hang on. So yeah. D, E. Yes. Okay. Okay. I think I know what it is. Keep going up a little bit.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: There it is.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. Go
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Up. The other way. Down.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The other way. Yeah. Go above three. Programs authorized to award hang on. Capital grants 25,000 for each school.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: You're doing great, Kate.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: This is when there was a beefing up of school safety after what year was this one? '18?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: 2018.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Remember the Fair Haven? Yes. The student that was gonna go ship?
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Oh, running out
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We built we beefed up and I think it was to report back. Let's keep going up. Grants awarded to security assessment has been completed by the agency of Ed and Department of Public Safety. Go up to number one. Grant shall be awarded to each school for improvement. So we're not doing this anymore. So what they wanted to do is just report to the chairs in terms of both committees as to how this played out.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Okay, cool.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So that's a real deal.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yep. We don't need it.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: Okay, he's got through Bennington.
[Unidentified Committee Member]: You want a buddy, Bennington? That's
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: a weird looking you know what I mean? The way they said notice of any grants awarded to chairs. To Just the chairs. Yeah. Just waiting for it. Okay.
[Laura V. Trieschmann (State Historic Preservation Officer)]: So we don't have to
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: do this on Tuesday. So we got we only kept one, two, three.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yep.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: When one was Four. We extended.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Go ahead.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we'll get this to Dropbox. Glad we did it today because Tuesday had to do it by I did get an extension to Tuesday morning.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It's It's a lot easier to get done.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. So thank you for all
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: those Thank you.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Working on next week's schedule. Doing the best we can. Right? We were hoping to do capital bill on Wednesday mornings, but BGS is not available Wednesday mornings. So we're gonna really focus on capital bill with BGS whenever we need BGS on Thursday. But that's not to say we won't be doing other capital bills on Wednesday morning. Okay. So we're done for the week. Have a good weekend, folks. Yes. Be warm. It's very safe. Be warm. It's gonna be cold, particularly tomorrow.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: All week. Really? Yeah. A lot of negatives.
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: The wind chills. Yeah. Had a wind chills getting foggy off.
[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Thank you, everybody. So
[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: let's