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[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So, this is House Corrections and Institutions Committee. It's January 7, and we have our late afternoon meeting. We're just having a committee discussion in terms of what we're going to be focusing on over the next few weeks. And we have some bills on the wall that we're going to talk about as a committee to determine how we're gonna keep working on some of them that we started work on last session, and we also had four new bills that have been sent to us. And I want the committee to weigh in on those to see if we wanna invite at least the bill sponsors in to see if we wanna have more discussion on this. And while I think of it, this is too short a notice for Michelle Charles to come in to give us a walk through on May. You can just give her an invite and say we're doing it, but I don't think she'll be able to give us a quick walk

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: 05:59?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. It's too short of time frame. So, Troy.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Right. So I think and again, happy to be corrected if it doesn't feel like the committee is in this spot. We had portions of a lot of bills where it felt like we were moving towards consensus. For me, it felt like there was some energy around the telecommunications space, that we were going to explore that. There was some energy, it seemed like, of exploring the contract for commissary, at least, and wondering about that 30% kickback. It felt like there was some movement there. And I know there was some MOUD stuff. And there's another thing that I didn't turn into a bill that we'll have to talk about with the committee. This is, I have to remind myself, I don't have my notes in front of me, but access to records for folks who have been released. It was a report that came out of the opposite. Racial equity. And I have some notes on it. But I'm wondering if there's a way that we can do a miscellaneous and bring in the things that we may have found consensus on into one miscellaneous bill. And then to your last question, Madam Chair, I would love the opportunity to introduce five fifty and talk about the origin story to that. That's the gender equity within our correction facilities. It's an interesting origin story. The person who I met with that prompted the bill has an interesting story. I'd like to talk a little bit about that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So if you want to combine some different topics, you can use, like say you could use H-two 94, which is a commissary telecommunication, you could use that bill onto a strike call. Or you can do a committee job, Whichever one.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: So I'm curious if there's energy for that in this committee to do that sort of miscellaneous lodgepodge.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I'm interested in

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: things that we can do to.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: What's odds? I'm all over age five forty nine. That's your driver my driver ID.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Oh, yeah. We have to talk about that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. You wanna do that one? Yeah. For sure.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Dallas. Yeah. On the topic of h two ninety four, I remember back in September, there was that article about how the prisoners were denied their phone calls or if they had the issue. Could DOC or someone come in to talk about that? Because I felt like that would be helpful I'm looking at telecommunications.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So there was a subcommittee, a few folks who were working. Who was on it? There was you? Who else?

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: It was not Troy. Was it You

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: were on it because

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Sweeney, were you

[Conor Casey (Member)]: on it?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I know

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I was.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Who else was? Was it Shawn? If you three could meet and kinda refresh your memory, go through your notes Yep. That would be really helpful, and then come back and give us some direction in terms of were you on that, Joe? Because you were interested in the kickback on commissary. Did you part that?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That was the telecommunications. Yeah. The commissary stuff really happened. Think it Joe was Yeah.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: I think it would be with Shawn Sweeney. Think we were

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: in commissary. The commissary the telecommunication. I mean, I

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: think played together.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Trying to remember. We broke it up for commissary, and then we broke it Telecoms. Yes. Do folks remember? That was telecoms.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's because we were all in agreement on fair pay. Right?

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Gonna be excessive. We can offset the $115 a year

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: with pretty slick. Yeah. So if I write him off on the he must have been on the commissary. Well, weren't you, Joe?

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. I I I recall that. You.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Who else was there? He

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: was on commissary.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah, but who was I was trying to remember.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Shawn was somewhere. I participated in a commissary. So you're with Joe? Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. You're with Joe. Oh, yeah. Was Shawn with you?

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: It may have been Shawn, but I thought we

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I'd have to refresh myself.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: I just know I was telling

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It's the kickers We should remember what It's

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: kind of a it's not so much that the with the kicker with that line. It's where the kicker is going. It's going to fund rec. But in reality, all the rec is payroll. Right. Who decides? Get you

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: a you goes and how much it was.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It looks like they don't

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So what if what if you folks just look go look at the bill, look at your notes that you may have taken and then refresh your memory. And then if you can give us some direction in terms of what you were thinking back in May. I know it's gonna be

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: If I remember correctly, so ostensibly, you you had some residents who were in control, some of it. But by the time you net it out for the salaries, they they might be able to steer, like, you know, this much of of what's left. I I think it's the bottom line, but I gotta go figure out

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: what Well,

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: there's some brief resume posting that they're not able to do anything, so I'm sorry for them.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah. If you could stop

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: the pricing was is as high as

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: we did. Pricing isn't that high. There was a premise.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, if you folks could gather, go back, brainstorm, and then back with these are the issues that we need to

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Corinthians over. Ask email, and

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I don't know. I'm guessing they don't sell a lot of Corinthians

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: free, but on May 13, I sent an email to POC, and it was me who sent it, but at the top line, had Troy, Joe, and Mary on that, and then cc'd you for consistency.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: For telecom?

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: For telecoms and commissary. And I thought we did two and two, and we just did

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I don't remember ever talking about Okay.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Then I don't know why I have you guys I mean, it's It doesn't matter.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: We need we now have a new commissioner. Yeah.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: We need to ask

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: the commissioner questions we didn't get answers to. Probably

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: still not. So

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Joe

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: and Kevin, if you can kind of brainstorm on the commissary part. And then, Will, if you I think Shawn was I thought

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: that was Shawn. It's like a spot that you three were I

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: don't remember being on one of those.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Because you're on the bill. So, man, so I wasn't

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I remember talking about commissary. I don't recall.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: You two are commissary, Will, and I think Shawn was televised. So if you two can get together and you and Shawn can get together

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: was similar. It was just pricing. There's a pricing menu and a sense of yes.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Write that down. Come back to us in a few day or two with what really needs, where we need to take some further leads.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I'll put it out of my bag tomorrow.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Yeah. That would be

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: one of you got, the damn dams.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: Exactly. Yeah. We gotta go over the pieces on this. There's, four or five projects that would have shifted somehow since we've been out of session there. So I think it'd be good to get Ben Green in for a quick update on those.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: The damn priority list is scary because there's so much

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: You need

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: and so that Yeah. But

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: which one is it they want us to try? Green River?

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Oh, it's the one up in the High Park?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's the Green River Reservoir they want

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: us to

[Conor Casey (Member)]: It is. Yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So for the bills that are up there, the new ones that we had come in, we have 430 yeah. 436, which deals with

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: The 28.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: 540. Yeah. 540 is the Oh.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Yeah. Which it's not.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Oh, I was looking at the Sorry. General The numerical one is

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: The director

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: of this one should

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: take that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 540, this deals with our community reparative boards, which is our CSGs, Community Justice Centers. Are there still two kind of groups? Because I know one group was from kind of the old days and one is like a new model of it. That's when the discussions were here. We didn't decide which, I think Karen was promoting, which is fine. The newer group. I know some of the folks from the older restorative groups. I see some of the different views.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: No, I didn't, but that's a reasonable guess.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Working and then it shifted to another group. So it would we be interested in having Karen Dillon come in and just walk could you give us a review of this bill? Mhmm. Okay. So we can schedule her. We're gonna do the parole board thing tomorrow. It's 559.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah. 549.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: 49.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Is Michelle coming in? Or

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: No. It's just Wait. Did you say parole board?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No. 549.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: 549.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Motor vehicle. My order was in whack.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: That's in his driver nondriver. And then it's 550.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay. 549. Troy, you can give us a quick walk through if it's something. It's really to have detainees. For that, then we can decide if we wanna work on it. 550, that's a transgender standards. You can give us a quick walk through on that. Great. And then we got the parole board tomorrow. So those are the four new ones.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I have

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: one pending that's coming.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I have a bill for that.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: It's ending supervision fees for folks on PABU.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's ending supervision fees. Fees? Fees. They have to pay to be supervised, but they're not paying it. Right?

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: That's how it looks like.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: Is it that waived or it's just something that's overlooked? I think it bogged down to

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: it because Well, then it

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: turns into a collection matter

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: and it's a philosophical question of something. I get that part. Yeah. But right now, I'm just saying, what's happening right now? We can get I'm sure it's

[Conor Casey (Member)]: Okay.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's like getting money from a store.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I got it.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: That was the big push about twenty years ago. Wanted inmates to pay for their upheaval prisons. That was a big push it. I will

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: let go of fair pay if the whole bargain is a monopoly.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: It's like if I get it, but yes.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Somebody said I'm easy, but I had the time so far.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I just have to see something. What are some of the other bills that are up there? We are looking at the commissary and telecommunication.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yes.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'm just wondering what else is up there.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: I have an outstanding project that I wasn't able to Are you supposed to bring Wanda and Steve Howard together to talk security and state buildings?

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Was a The VSA

[Conor Casey (Member)]: So the compromises That was

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: $3.49. Cafeteria discussion

[Conor Casey (Member)]: with those guys to see if there were some

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So that was H349?

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: That was not

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Security board?

[Conor Casey (Member)]: I'll check-in with them both on that. Neither party seemed Willing to budge? Yeah. I I not not confident that they were gonna come to an agreement.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'll have

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: power too if you can spread the people on that one, man.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Franklin County field days. What do you guys wanna do with that?

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: Well, we gotta have a discussion of some sort.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Buying. They're gonna buy us property.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: They got an option.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: Yeah. They're renting to potentially own.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Joe can

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: tell you a lot about that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Do we have to bring Ferdinand in?

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: No. Specifically not. I would senator Nora sits on the board.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yes, your honor.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Sir, if you need, guys, senator Nora sits on the board, and I'd sit him down if you needed to Yeah. Because

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: what I'm hearing, they want we have some money. So 60,000, I don't think 90, from our ag fair brands that they wanna use.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Mhmm. They have some money that's been held, I think, a little bit.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: From the ag fair brands, which

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: is a

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: couple years, which is at least 60,000. This is 30.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: So I

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: think it's more too.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: They've identified a piece of property right off it's right near the interstate garage, actually, in OpEx of 20. But right now, they only have an option. It's a raw piece of land, and reportedly, they've gotten through local permitting with it. I think that would trigger $2.50. I don't think that's exempt. And it's almost certainly a traffic study thing because it's on a busy road. So I don't I have no idea where they're at with that. Hopefully, they hired an engineer or something and aren't trying to pretend that it's 1968. I don't know the answer to this. No. They do have an option. They do have an option.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Because there is the building community grants, all those programs, the ag pairs, they do have at least 60,000. They didn't get any money out of FY 'twenty six. But I think they have 'twenty four and 'twenty three 'twenty four and 'twenty five. They may even have 'twenty three that they haven't expended.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yeah. And I and

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I told them too. It's the the the purchase price is I I can't remember the exact figure, but it's in excess of a couple million dollars. I'm like, guys, you don't have to have a check for the whole thing. Like, you can amortize this. Right? And just make sure you have some some reserve. But so I I I I

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I'm gonna have senator Morrison. I think we also need someone from the agency of agriculture that administers the capital grants for agricultural fairs.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: So

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: what we need on that. We don't wanna get into naming a sick buildings. No.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Yeah. Just don't do it.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: There is, and this is being extended out. This is being extended out to February 1, but if you remember, it was in the appropriations bill, And we gave a recommendation that DOC take a look at St. Johnsbury Correctional Facility, where the work camp used to be, convert that over into a treatment facility for folks who are incarcerated. They're due back with a report. They've asked me for an extension on that because they just got the draft report. How long ago did you have? February 1. So there, I gave them the extension. They got the draft report yesterday, but they need time to go. So that's kind of in the hopper for that. And then we did take a look at H three seventy nine, the second look sentencing. And there was, I'm trying to remember, there was a proposal that was put forward on what's it called? It's kind of like a mid review pre sentence. No. What was it called? Where your sentence could be reviewed. What was that called? And there's a lot of inmates who are filing for that. And there was some proposal to kind of address.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: We do a working

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: group on that, Lucy? I don't think so, because we tried to get it into a judiciary committee.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Yeah, but

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: But it was

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: there was a proposal that someone made to say, why don't we look at

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: When a compromise got. See

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: if I can find what PCR, which is

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: There you go.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: PCR is PCR.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Post conviction. What

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: is PCR? Post Post conviction Right. Post conviction relief.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: And if

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: because of age, the kind of problem they got incarcerated for no longer seemed like it was gonna be an issue and there's another exit ramp. Some people thought, oh, it's just another set of appeals.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Sorry, the note I have here, and this is what came from the state's attorney's office is we create a new way of looking at the PCR post conviction relief to reconsider it as now it's unlimited and maybe we put limitations on. And I remember we talked about that.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: Because I thought we put the group together because there was a bit of debate on who were voting members or who weren't. She was very articulate who came from Massachusetts, the doctor. And Doctor. Reese, yeah. And there was a question whether she would go on the group that we had created or not.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: We said no. I think we had her as

[Conor Casey (Member)]: a non voting member. There was some back and forth. That's why I remember there was a group.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: We got into any draft.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: We had that conversation, though.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: We did. I mean, I think we chipped at the judiciary. That's the only Yeah.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: We would

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: that's why I don't have any copies of any draft of language, but we might. It was done around the April.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: But we

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: did have that conversation. Some of us were not only Vermont people who voting on it. You can have input, valuable potential.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Beautiful Kevin there. She's My wife is like me.

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: But I feel like, Chair, the way we left it last year with the folks from judiciary was were convinced that our final meeting, maybe there was something, a little something to look into with this. Do you not recall this with the new process about maybe they could do it for education or They

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: don't seem to freeze with that.

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: I knew they weren't all along.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: They've been asking multiple times in the fall.

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: Well, knew that the attorneys were not because they just weren't using it, but that remains true of the folks in judiciary committee. Yeah.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: Well, then I'll talk to Martin and then I'll do the same thing we had originally planned on. We were way too late in the year to get the Defender General's office, Tim's office, and the judge's on it. But like we had told them, and two out of the three agreed to this, one was a little more obstinate. We want the people who've actually dealt with it, not bosses. Like, the boss can come, but I want to hear from the individuals, well, we decided we wanted the individuals who's actually dealt with this and tell us how, what was your experiences?

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Well, they're long gone.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: Well, probably

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I They're long gone. Because that was pre, that was around COVID.

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: But sort of broadly speaking, it seemed like we had the same breakdown between DOC and judiciary that we have both transportation. DOC sees it one way, judiciary sees it another. Each one wants to be honest on the other.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Now the issue is the courts wanna have another tool to work with in the state's attorneys. But the issue is it puts pressure on DOC, but they're not concerned on that because they just want another tool. So they're not, it's not the whole picture that's being looked at. We're seeing more of a whole picture and that's where the disconnect

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: is.

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: And the USDA says no FTEs and all the equipment's already rotted.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: And the people that we were talking about, by the way, aren't from the work crew. We were talking about the individuals in the two counties that had experience with the alternative program to see how they felt it worked. But you're right, because they even said it to us. Judge said it to us that we just need another tool and it was a kind of an acknowledgement that, yeah, a lot of people reoffend once we do this. So they got to go back to the correctional facility anyway. And like, well, that's that's the crazy. It doesn't make any sense

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: to do that. But we'll work.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Yeah, so if you could have those preliminary conversations and find out, I think there's gonna be a bill.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: It's a tangent, but the the issue of of how we transport detainees.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: Uh-huh. That's a big one.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: It's hard to remember why it's such a big deal, but in my mind, it's like we take two sheriffs for

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yes. Every

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: there with them. It's security.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: Mhmm.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: It's secure you cannot have the sheriff that is sitting there in the courtroom provide security for a manate. Yeah. Because you gotta transport him from the vehicle to the Sally Port through the courthouse. And the issue is, oh, you may think like, say, Newport. They have a courthouse in Newport. The folks who are in Newport are not all from Newport. Their crime could be committed in Brattleboro. Their crime could be committed in Burlington, could be committed in Rutland. They have to be transported to that courthouse of that county. So it's not they're not being transported down the road, even though they may be in the Newport facility or they may be in the Saint Albans facility or they may be in the Springfield facility.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: And I I don't wanna sound cruel, so forgive me for this picture. But I don't understand if a person's incarcerated and they're a danger to to others or themselves. That's why you need two sheriffs. Why two sheriffs can't secure them in the car and have any Tom, Dick, or Harry drive them to where they need to be

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: and drop them off with two sheriffs at that By billing. Who would take that liability to drive that vehicle? Mean because they're under the custody of the state.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I understand. But if you hear what I'm saying, if if they're not able to cause havoc, I don't I don't understand why it takes two two highly paid sheriffs to to do that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we can get the sheriffs in

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: Okay.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: To testify. I'm coming.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: There was some joint testimony last year down in Room 10 Or 11 with regarding this exact subject.

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: I mean, we've got a shortage and I I just don't physically understand why it's. I understand when you're on-site but

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: the transportation itself seems That's one that's the most vulnerable.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: I I I heard it. I just don't

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: think that's you know, you fly mad, but I got

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: Yeah. They're not gonna least those here at security or a bus driver and say

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: I get it.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: But they're under state custody.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: They're not gonna do that.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: They're under state custody. Let's drop it to one share.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I mean, somebody could get out of handcuffs

[Conor Casey (Member)]: and then buy

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: the person.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: It's so small that it's not like some places they probably get a whole bus, like a small bus.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: No, I don't.

[Kevin Winter (Member)]: We were too small for that. That person probably going to our sheriff's deputy.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: And So what you wanna do for sheriff's sake?

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: I just got

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: approach, and we got almost nothing. Yeah.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: House judiciary, and you could work with

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So I

[James Gregoire (Vice Chair)]: have to Yeah.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: What's the same? Nate.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: I remember. We've got a list going on here. So commissary, telecommunications, you go you folks are gonna get together and bring come back with us in terms of what issues you were working on last May so that we can schedule some testimony on that.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: One thing they did do in judiciary last year is for civil from a civil and it's not quite but civil service perspective, a sheriff from any county can serve somebody.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Mhmm.

[Joseph "Joe" Luneau (Member)]: So before Franklin County had to serve Franklin County and so on and so forth, But I don't know why, hence, it's generic thing. You can't change just all of the food being fried.

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: So

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: then we Eddie's interested in working on the non driver ID.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yep.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So I think we'll have Troy go over that. We'll get in Ben Green. He's from Agency of Natural Resources with the dams to update us on what's going on with dams. It was dams. Troy, you have a bill that deals with the supervision fees.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: Yeah, that's coming. I would anticipate it by, I think Shawn and I just clarified it, is it today? So he submitted it, by Friday.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Then state building security, Conor's gonna check-in with, it was with Wanda and Steve. And then the Franklin County Field Days, we are going to bring in Senator North and Agency of Agriculture with their Ag fairs grant program, the person with that. And work crew. You're gonna connect, try to connect and see where house judici might wanna talk to Martin. Transport of inmates with sheriffs. And I'll find out who testified at our joint meeting last year. And if we have time, book. That's what I got. Sounds good. Yep. And maybe the other piece was a miscellaneous corrections bill. Yeah, we met. We were meeting. Wow. Were you last year on a little subcommittee with Will looking at the telecommunications issue within corrections?

[William "Will" Greer (Member)]: They were.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: Okay, so you've got a job to

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: do. Okay, okay. All right. I got it. Thank you.

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: You're out of the room, you gotta sign one.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: High spot on work group. So

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: this is really helpful. So we're done for the day. We're back here tomorrow. Good timing, Shawn.

[Troy Headrick (Ranking Member)]: At 09:00.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: So we got a nine BGS, right? Yes. Updates. And then they're not gonna finish everything and then we'll schedule them again next week. So looking good. So we'll we'll be back of YouTube and

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: Yeah. That was useful just now.

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: When I just done.

[Conor Casey (Member)]: I saw You gotta run

[Shawn Sweeney (Clerk)]: it in your notes. It's just

[Alice M. Emmons (Chair)]: showing up.