SmartTranscript of Senate Transportation - 2025-01-29 - 9:30AM

[Vice Chair Becca White ]: You are live. Welcome to senate transportation on January twenty ninth. We are starting a little bit late, due to illness and bad weather. So we are going to kick it off with our commissioner at DMV, and I'm I'm actually, mister Collier, if you've presented to us before, if you wanna introduce yourself. Sure. [Andrew Collier ]: Andrew Collier, commissioner of DMV. I'm full I think I'm up to eight weeks now in this role. [Patrick Brennan ]: Congratulations. Thank you. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And have you know everyone on the committee who's here today? [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. And [Vice Chair Becca White ]: then you brought someone with you? [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. I'm Matt Kostik. I'm the director of special programs at the DMV. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Thank you. So if you wouldn't mind going to the DMV miscellaneous built with us section by section, and then we're gonna flag if there's anyone that we should have on to give testimony if there's some sections that we wanna discuss further. [Damien Leonard ]: Absolutely. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: But we've already had our legislative counsel, mister Leonard, walk us through the bill, so we're pretty familiar. And if there's anything that you wanna jump in or if there's any legislative drafting questions we've got in you you're here the whole time? [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. Okay. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Alright. Yeah. Take your way. [Andrew Collier ]: Thank you, Sandra. Well, good morning. And so we'll start off with section one. Under definitions, we are clarifying the term pleasure car to include electric vehicle, electric hybrid vehicles. Really, it's it's we're trying to avoid the confusion because this was kind of what that in previous iterations. So I will any questions [Vice Chair Becca White ]: on this one? No. Jump down in the kitchen. No. And I would say, just for my own tracking of this bill, when we did it on the house side, if you had issues or you had flags, we tried to kinda catch them throughout. But and honestly, obviously, our chair is not here today. Most of this seems relatively noncontroversial. So I'm just kinda going through each sections and assuming that we'd like to have them remain in the bill unless folks flag otherwise. So if you have a specific section that you do not want in the bill or you want us to take a closer focus on, let's flag that. But, otherwise, I think they're pretty [Speaker 4 ]: Correct. Easily done. So Good. So thank you for section one. [Andrew Collier ]: Moving on to section two, enhanced driver's license and maintenance of database information fee. And this is just clarifying that's not a renewal of an existing license, and then it's that we're just changing the application and requiring list of documents. Moving on to section three, non driver identification cards. Currently, they do not have the anatomical gift option, which is the if you wanna be an organ donor. So this is allowing it that's move forward and and have this option for non real ID licenses. I'm sorry. Adaptation cards. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So this is a non driver's license. If I don't drive, but let's say I want an ID Yes. And I also want to be listed as an organ donor, now I can have that [Andrew Collier ]: on there. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Yes. Okay. Go ahead, Sarah. [Speaker 4 ]: Thank you. Just so I understand this type of driver's license and then the non real ID. I'm assuming that there aren't sufficient documents for a person to have the real ID. So how how many types of driver's licenses are there that's not too much of a question? [Andrew Collier ]: No. We so I don't know the exact number. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I can tell you we have quite a [Andrew Collier ]: bit because we have if you start breaking out learner's permits, CDL offer permits, then we differentiate between the real ID, which is the accepted for federal like, going from TSA Right. And such. [Damien Leonard ]: And then [Andrew Collier ]: Vermont has the non real ID, which you can get authorized license or, again, non driver's license identification card. I can get you the the breakdown. We have a a whole booklet of what the different IDs are identification cards. [Speaker 4 ]: Alright. So so it sounds like in terms of the main driver's license that people have, it's the non driver and the, real IDs are the are the two parameters that change. [Andrew Collier ]: Yep. So this is just encompassing the the HANA, what you call it, real real ID ones, and it just kinda bring in the rest of the the inventory of different identification cards, a wireless option. Okay. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Thank you. No problem. [Andrew Collier ]: Moving on to cross brackets. Section four. So DMV no longer so sorry. Let me back up. Special registration plates and placards for individuals with disabilities. So this is reference the placards that are in vehicles so you can park in in the identified parking spaces. We no longer have a a separate and for for years, this has been a practice. Having a volunteer placard, it's been used the same placard has been used across volunteers and and individuals that need them. So it's just clarifying this in statute that and that's what practice has been. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Okay. [Andrew Collier ]: Section five, area of recreation certificate and replacement and corrected certificates. So this is allowing individuals to go online to their DMV account and print off a a registration certificate instead of paying the twenty dollars and having one billing for months. It's both a I was it's both the savings for the public if they are able to do that, and it's also just efficiency of [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Makes sense. [Andrew Collier ]: Of getting it out there and then people having this their registration. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Oh, thank you. This Santa Brennan, welcome. We are on section five of the DMV bill. So far, you have missed, I would say, nothing super controversial. And if you need a printed copy of it [Patrick Brennan ]: I one if you have one. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Yeah. Yeah. I should make it on the [Damien Leonard ]: Thank you, Mike. [Andrew Collier ]: Excuse me? Hey. I have my dogs here. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: We might be all set. [Andrew Collier ]: I'm good [Damien Leonard ]: for now. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Sure. [Patrick Brennan ]: Thank you. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: We just went over volunteer placards on driver's licenses in section four. And now we're talking about printing your registration certificate, allowing that to happen versus paying twenty dollars. So now if I was a really thrifty verandter and I had a printer, I'm saving myself twenty bucks. [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: But do you have any concerns with folks who say, you know, it doesn't print out properly and there's not a good readability? Have you talked into DMV enforcement or anything? Just from my [Andrew Collier ]: just from my prior career there, it shows up when you run a registration on either by the radio or or on the end the peers are in the cruiser. So it's really just mapping up Oh. [Patrick Brennan ]: In having it available. That's good, sir. Thank you. [Andrew Collier ]: Second six, state municipal fire department and rescue organization motor vehicles. This section, we're clarifying that the infrastructure fees do not apply to state, municipal, and volunteer firefighting organizations. And and by volunteer firefighting organizations, just wanna be clear, we're also including, EMS, an ambulance, or any subcategories that might fall into there, like a technical rescue group or [Vice Chair Becca White ]: A VAST squad? [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. Yep. Exactly. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And we're going to have Drew Hazleton come and speak to us about this section six because they're they have a couple of concerns or is my understanding, or they have some questions about him. He is the Vermont EMS need person. Spent a lot of time in go ops with us last session. And I think they are just trying to clarify if they have to pay the fee or not with the way it's written is my understanding. It says ambulance statement. Yeah. [Damien Leonard ]: Do they have to pay the fee on other vehicles? [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I think this is So [Patrick Brennan ]: they have [Damien Leonard ]: or they are exempt from other [Andrew Collier ]: Yeah. So and this is, again, just to clean it up, this is trying to match other language that's in EMU statute and kinda moving it to in system [Patrick Brennan ]: consistency. Right. [Andrew Collier ]: Section seven, veterans exceptions. So when this is so removed the two dollar admissions fee for veteran plates that are currently not charged right now. This, I would say, is just a a mission from when this statue was probably intended to do. But, you know, if that's an interpretation, but it's just removing that two dollar fee and making it truly what it should be, which was no charge, the one registration for the vehicle. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Do you know how much money you will no longer be receiving? [Andrew Collier ]: We can run an a grab of numbers on that based on what we have for police and circulation right now. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And but it's included in your I haven't even had a chance to crack open that section of the budget, but it's included in your budget request a reduction of the amount relevant to this. [Andrew Collier ]: Yeah. Let me follow-up on that. I believe it is, but let me just double check on that. [Damien Leonard ]: And then the veteran has to apply it. Correct. [Andrew Collier ]: And they have to have the the paperwork. I know Damian was able to read it off, Tom, who said last time, but it's the twenty one dash forty five zero two that's issued by the Department of Veteran Affairs. But they're partly discharged and then tied up with financial assistance. [Damien Leonard ]: My guess is it's a pretty small number. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And we're going to have Robert Burke ideally come in on this second. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yes. And the the fee itself is only two dollars. So so it's it is a very small fee in the grand scheme of fees. So [Vice Chair Becca White ]: That's true. [Damien Leonard ]: And then when did you say Robert Berg? [Vice Chair Becca White ]: He was a recommended individual from the DMV. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. He he runs the State's Office of Veterans Affairs. Okay. So he's No. But he would be the person Yeah. Certifying to the DMV that the individual is is in fact a veteran who is, let's see. Is it honorably I think it's discharged under honorably discharged. You may wanna consider touching base with Robert Burke about the honorably discharged language there? Is there there Change the lease line. Well, there's two important things to keep in mind. So there's an honorable discharge, and then there's a discharge under honorable conditions. And there can be discharges where the individual has done nothing dishonorable, but because of the circumstance in the discharge, they don't get an honorable discharge. It's just a a discharge that's under honorable conditions, and you may wanna include them in this exemption. But he is the expert on explaining the differences. And if you are thinking of that from my prior work in the SARS where I covered Veterans Affairs, I can give you a cheat sheet on all the different discharge conditions that would help you sort of understand what you'd be encompassing. [Damien Leonard ]: We have we have language about getting a veteran plate that we just worked on last year. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. And I worked with Anthea, I think, on Yeah. Preparing on language before the session. [Damien Leonard ]: Well, I'm gonna make might wanna match that because we found a the state's definition of veteran sometimes different than the feds. Okay. But I couldn't get this form, but the Vermont said that they were a veteran. This was a one particular individual who got injured during basic training. And they just they were veteran, and the state was saying that, but the feds, they didn't have they couldn't get their, like, this fed form. So we for the purpose of getting a veteran plate, we allowed them to get that [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. That that's another instance that can sometimes get missed is they they had a a disqualifying injury during basic training or training early on before they actually served. Right. And so you have individuals where they, you know, for whatever reason, cannot actually complete their their service, but it's through no fault of their own. Right. No. So [Damien Leonard ]: So what that reports with the TA about how because they didn't also the the department, but they didn't wanna have to make that decision at each time. They wanted to rely on the federal form, so we came [Patrick Brennan ]: up with language on that. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Great. Let's revisit that with section seven when we have mister Burke come in. That's a good idea. And if you do have that list of all the different [Patrick Brennan ]: I'll pull it up and send it to Meghan. Thank you. [Andrew Collier ]: Section eight, fees. So this is reference of reminders who received supplemental social supplemental security income or Social Security disability income, so SSI or SSDI. And they're eligible to receive a non driver's indemnification card at a reduced rate. So this is extending that eligibility for the reduced rate to holders and junior operators' licenses and operators' licenses receiving the SSI and SSDI. And to be consistent with another statute, which is twenty three one fifteen, which is a non driver card, which has the the same pricing or fee structure that's listed here. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Makes sense. So yeah. So [Speaker 4 ]: is this will will this reduce revenue, or is it way too early? [Andrew Collier ]: So we are there are less than five hundred of these issued right now. So it's I would say it's nominal. [Speaker 4 ]: Okay. [Andrew Collier ]: A nominal change in [Patrick Brennan ]: revenue there. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: That might be a good blanket question to maybe get addressed Yeah. Is if you have an amount of money with any of the fee reductions in total, what you would tell us, the reduction. Yeah. That would be really helpful. Thank you. [Andrew Collier ]: And where is Perma in section nine? So this is with our new FAST system or new modernization project. It's allowing replacement motorcycle learner's permits now available on on myDMT to occur, And it's also allowing a photograph to be attached to, learned permits, which were unavailable prior. Section ten, commercial learned permit. And this is just allowing the department to include a a photo of the applicant on the CDL or it's urban now. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I mean, we're about to have, at McMahon Yes. Essentially come in to talk to us, about CDL in general. They're a recommendation from the DMV. [Andrew Collier ]: Section eleven, deferring imposition of sentence for prohibit excuse me. Percivitation on masking or diversion. So this was amended last year, and the commercial's learner's permit was in inadvertently wiped out of the subsection a, so it's just being added in. Section twelve, examination required waiver, and this is allowing the commissioner to validate a permit order's permit coming in from a different state so they don't have to retest and that we're accepting, you know, someone who moves from Massachusetts to Vermont that we're accepting that the test that they had was sufficient? [Speaker 4 ]: Well, it's I'm so it's similar. Right? I'm I mean, you don't automatically do it for any state. [Andrew Collier ]: It it just Right. It's it's you're verifying that it's acceptable kinda one to one, and then [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. [Andrew Collier ]: You're allowing a transfer to have it. [Speaker 4 ]: So most states, probably. [Andrew Collier ]: Yeah. They'd be in most states. Thanks. Section thirteen, fee per examination. So this is requiring a fee to be paid if someone does not appear for their examination. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Mhmm. [Andrew Collier ]: And I I think it's kind of quite detrimental to Vermonters. Schedules change quickly, and I don't think the DMV is a place in a position to charge a no show fee. And I think this is just removing that section out of here [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Okay. To be consistent with kind [Andrew Collier ]: of what practices. We're we're not my understanding, we're not charging that right now [Patrick Brennan ]: as it is, so it's just making it system. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So, Brent? We were probably collecting a whole lot [Andrew Collier ]: of those fees anyway. Right. They didn't show them. Exactly. And it just why add that burden or stress of Sure. Exchange. Section fourteen, qualifications for instructor license. So currently, there's no set minimum requirements for a DMV licensed CDL school. So this is aligning it with the federal interim level driver training qualifications. And I think Sure. I know we have a shortage of CDL drivers, and I think having this is actually will better the instruction and help new drivers coming on board as well. I think it's so, yeah, again, just align with the federal intro of the standards. Great. Section fifteen, instructor requirements and training. And this is the reduction of operating experience from four years to two, and we'll open the applicant for motorcycle instructors, which are needed here in Quebec. Section sixteen, definitions. This is a more of a technical side with some renumbering to correct some errors that are caused by the lack of subsections being, erroneously viewed as, as exclusions. I don't Damien talked about that clarifying the breakout on the section south. It's also changing. We're gonna see this quite a bit going forward as well. The NADA is now JD Power. They merged or bought out, so we're have to change that throughout these sections? [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So this won't change. So I'll just flag that this was new information to me that NADA had bought JD Power folks and that they were combined. I thought that they were still separate and that there was a difference in how the two were operating. So this is really not making a change in any valuation of people's taxable amount. This is just clarifying the correct reference. [Andrew Collier ]: Correct. Because if if if if if if if you call here in the public Googled n n a d a to try to figure out tax before I go [Vice Chair Becca White ]: to DMV. If I didn't go on DMV website, it's [Andrew Collier ]: it's on there. But this is clarifying that now I know where to look for what the DMV is using. [Speaker 4 ]: Go ahead. Yeah. Is this is it available to folks for free? [Andrew Collier ]: Yeah. So you can So [Speaker 4 ]: there's there's not a charge to to learn that number [Andrew Collier ]: No. No. [Speaker 4 ]: To access that value? [Andrew Collier ]: You can go on to JD Power just the same way you used it for NADA. They put in your vehicle information, and they'll kick out the the Okay. How much your vehicle's worth. [Patrick Brennan ]: Okay. That's good. [Andrew Collier ]: Much like Blue Book, it just this is the system that [Speaker 4 ]: Yeah. There was one that I went to that had a fee. And I thought it was Blue Book, but but there's no fee for this. [Damien Leonard ]: No fee. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Great. Thank you. [Andrew Collier ]: Section seventeen, commissioner computation of taxable cost. And this is, again, cleaning up with the NADA and clarifying that the commissioner can develop a process to determine the value [Vice Chair Becca White ]: of vehicles that do not have [Andrew Collier ]: a clean trading value based on duty power. It's picking up that sector that there was I don't wanna say it's just adding some language in there to to make it work correctly. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So this is an anomaly traded value. So these are vehicles that have had an accident or have had some kind of so when you the term clean trade in is an industry term. Is that correct? [Andrew Collier ]: It is. Yeah. So that is I wanna go too far on my skis. I believe it's when there's no no accents or or accents have been repaired, it's clean title. There's no salvage title on it. It it be sold again. But this is, you know, a vehicle that comes that [Vice Chair Becca White ]: That does have to. [Andrew Collier ]: That has yes. So it comes in with damage on it, and it's I I go into the DMV and say, hey. I purchased this fuel goal. It's missing the engine. It's not worth ten thousand dollars. It's actually worth five hundred dollars. It's just defining that that computation. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So if I'm a Vermonter who has a vehicle that I believe is worth five thousand dollars, but let's say this tells me a clean trade in would make it worth ten thousand dollars, I can present to the DMV why I think there's a difference Yes. [Speaker 4 ]: Of that. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yes. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And I can make that case. We may be hearing from other witnesses at some point who are going to ask us a few questions about that potential situation, just as an FYI. And, yeah, just Yeah. [Speaker 4 ]: So it says the commissioner may develop a process. So that would allow you to develop a process. Yes. So you have a process now? [Andrew Collier ]: So there is a process in place. So someone can bring in evidence or or present it to the DMV. If it's if they do not like what the outcome is in DMV, there is an offer for that to do a hearing. And then that is world on, and then if they don't like what the hearing is, it can move to, superior court. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Okay. Okay. [Andrew Collier ]: Section eighteen, refund. So this is, taking case law and clarifying it from the consumer to clearly state that there's a one one year time frame to request a refund of the purchase and use tax. Again, it's just cleaning up some internal processes. We have a lot of instances with people coming in, kind of after the fact, and it's making it a little more clearly set up for the public. Section nineteen, refund upon loss of vehicle. And this is just allowing the commissioner to collect other information from owners when their vehicle is sold or stolen or lost, that they no longer have that registration. Just allowing other forms of certification that they don't have that vehicle to be sent in. Section twenty, application and issuance of license. We are making the change from driver privilege card to now non real ID. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And those are just a higher quality ID. They they're more difficult to fix, just the real benefit of that. [Andrew Collier ]: So this section is only defining that on the non real IDs that we're just saying non real ID instead of it used to read driver privilege or driver privilege card, and now we're saying non real ID to read to them. [Speaker 4 ]: So are you reducing the number of tires? [Andrew Collier ]: Not reducing the number of types. It's just changing the actual name when you have have on your license [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Okay. [Andrew Collier ]: To just read non real ID to clarify this is not a real ID, which is typical [Speaker 4 ]: Right. [Andrew Collier ]: For, like, TSA or border crossing. [Speaker 4 ]: So you didn't use this have that? [Andrew Collier ]: Right. Just a driver privilege charter. [Speaker 4 ]: Oh, I see. Okay. Just to make it more clear. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. [Andrew Collier ]: Section twenty one, the credits and refunds. Currently, the DMV collects refund requests that are three up to thirty three months, and this is very problematic for the staff. I just saw one the other last week that was a stack so large it can get scanned into the Pure Systems. So so this is just reducing it in twelve months and just trying to find some efficiencies. Green one. Section twenty two, operation of odometers. This is just a technical correction to that eliminated a run on sentence and make it a little more readable. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Go ahead. How often does [Speaker 4 ]: that happen? Because it's not that easy. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: It used to be easier For to the tampering with odometers. So how easy to tamper with them? [Speaker 4 ]: It used to be easier. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: You you [Andrew Collier ]: you experience? [Speaker 4 ]: Well, as I you can drive backwards, but that's [Vice Chair Becca White ]: a pretty long time. It takes a very long time, and that [Speaker 4 ]: maybe doesn't even count [Vice Chair Becca White ]: as tampering. [Andrew Collier ]: It it's still it's still occurred. I I just saw my weekly report from our enforcement team. They just had a case last week of someone falsifying the a dominor. [Speaker 4 ]: Okay. [Andrew Collier ]: So it it still it still happens. It still occurs. [Speaker 4 ]: It's a huge I mean, there's a lot of money in that. [Andrew Collier ]: There is. There's a lot of money. [Speaker 4 ]: So are you satisfied that we are doing what we need to do? [Andrew Collier ]: As far as like, FaceTime or or or corporate side? Or [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 4 ]: I mean, is anyone saying we need to do more? [Andrew Collier ]: I think for for monitors that it's a curse too. Obviously, they're they probably wish we had done more. I think it's, again, it's it's unfortunate kinda like everything else in enforcement. We just have to have this strong enough penalty there to try to prevent it, and then you also have to have the the enforcement leg of that stool. And I think also having the application side. So you have kind of three three legs of the stool available there. I just in the short time I've been here, I have not heard that we're not doing enough. But, again, I to over monitor what happens to it, obviously, that is a frustrating process and probably wanna say [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. [Andrew Collier ]: We've done more. Or [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I mean, sure, it might be helpful. I don't think this group has heard from DMV enforcement yet, and I know we put in place a catalytic converter. There was a an additional penalty for the sale of cattle the stealing of catalytic converters. Perhaps maybe this session before we get this bill out, we could have someone from DMV enforcement Absolutely. Give us a little lay of the land so we can understand. [Andrew Collier ]: Absolutely. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I don't see anything in this particular bill that we're changing drastically in their practices, but it would be good to hear from you. [Andrew Collier ]: Absolutely. Well, I'll get someone in here to go over it over you and Yeah. That'd be great. Questions. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. [Andrew Collier ]: Sorry. Maybe you're on [Vice Chair Becca White ]: twenty four or maybe you're twenty three. [Patrick Brennan ]: Twenty three. [Andrew Collier ]: So so these are all this [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I think you're adding a cross section. [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. It seems to [Vice Chair Becca White ]: be the main [Andrew Collier ]: That is a green change for that. So with that, if if you're okay with that, I'm gonna jump down to section twenty seventh. Yep. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: It looks like sections twenty four, at least one, that's twenty five and twenty six are mainly [Speaker 4 ]: cross section. Yeah. Yeah. [Patrick Brennan ]: All of that is just updating frost references because of some confusion going on about whether an adjudication is considered a conviction. And so this is referencing the definition of conviction, which includes adjudication to just make it crystal clear even though those definitions already apply to those sections. So you're it's not a substantive change, but it is for the folks who've been applying that. There there have been questions that have been in the last couple of years about whether communications are included under that. So this is just making it crystal clear that that is and was our intent. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So Thank you. Yeah. Okay. [Andrew Collier ]: Jumping down to twenty seven, civil civil suspension summary procedure. In this particular statue, it's reading essence the BAC is being set at point zero eight one versus point two zero eight. And so this is changing what appears to be a inadvertent error and aligns the two sections together. And just to be clear, we don't know of any court cases that triggered this. This was just internally this was found. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: This is the at or above point eight. [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And so now it's potentially, if someone was at point eight, they could there's a case, and potentially they could be making that they do or don't actually fall under this statute. Correct. Yeah. It just cleans it up. [Andrew Collier ]: So we just get rid of that argument or or attempt that that argument. [Speaker 4 ]: Okay. So sorry for all the questions. [Patrick Brennan ]: No. No. Please. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: This is our only thing today, Tom. Okay. Perfect. The one that I think knocked down. Yeah. It's the one that [Speaker 4 ]: So drunk and driving is a big problem. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Right? And [Speaker 4 ]: I I on I don't know if it's blowing up, if it's going down, if it's staying the same. Is this something that your division handles or department handles, or is it someone else, or is it a combination of folks? [Andrew Collier ]: It's a combination of folks. So our inspectors, if they come across a vehicle or commercial motor vehicle, will handle that operation or operation and rest that person for DUI, but it applies to all enforcement for the same month. So it's not just in particular your DMV. This is applied for all kind of DUI [Patrick Brennan ]: Right. [Andrew Collier ]: Enforcement. [Speaker 4 ]: So if we wanna know what's happening and if we should be doing something more or less, you know, stopping things that aren't working, maybe you all know who to talk to. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: The latest drug drivers? Yeah. [Damien Leonard ]: In the past, the person has talked about that is Norman Knopfler. I think that's from the Vermont Safety Council. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Okay. And because they are the ones responsible. [Damien Leonard ]: It might even be called the governor's trade safety council [Andrew Collier ]: or something. Governor's highway safety panel. Got it. Commercial. He's bought some. Bill Bill Jenkins, I believe. Really? Actually. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: I don't have my folks with me, but we should invite I would also love an update on crash data if that's [Damien Leonard ]: Yeah. Nate could go over that as well. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Did you last year, did you and I can rock the senator West Smith too, but did you have a set schedule for when you heard that? Did they release a report or anything? Do you did you hear about in relation to the T bill, or you hear it with [Damien Leonard ]: I can't remember. It was informational, so it wasn't we weren't changing any statute. So it was just more of, like, as we went through the agency, so they might have had a budget in here or something like that. But we did talk about the crash data and the data for drug and alcohol [Patrick Brennan ]: rates [Damien Leonard ]: and arrests. And and we've also had troopers in, you know, which are dealing with a different than the DMV enforcement. So Right. They talked about it because there was a bill introduced one year to increase the or decrease the well, I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll [Patrick Brennan ]: tell you what I'll tell you what [Damien Leonard ]: I'll tell you what [Andrew Collier ]: I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'll tell you. [Damien Leonard ]: Be kind of focused on, like, what is the best way to make it roads safer. [Speaker 4 ]: Right. And the sheriff's have a role to play through because there's this [Vice Chair Becca White ]: this federal program that they Yeah. Go through. [Damien Leonard ]: The sheriff's have to come in and change. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Alright. Well, yeah, if we could just put that on our list. I'm gonna add potentially highway safety council on the governor's folks for crash data and see if that would naturally come up with a budget. That's great. Thank you. Okay. If we have lots of good things, we're learning on the job too, commissioner. [Andrew Collier ]: Work for me. Section twenty eight. So this is requiring some change of language on it's form two forty. It's part of when you arrest someone for, a DUI offense, you fill out this form. And then it's supposed to act as a your temporary driver's license after you get your DUI or or when you leave the the barracks or or processing room. And on it, it has the date when you have to mail in if you wanna test it, when your court hearing date is, and some other information. There's a question that kinda comes up. If you do not have a license, you're required to give this form, and it's serving as a it's stating a temporary driver's license. So you're theoretically, someone made the case that I was that person was given a temporary driver's license. You can drive. You can drive. [Speaker 4 ]: Yeah. And that was not the intent. [Andrew Collier ]: That sounds decent. I remember several nights Yeah. Having arrested someone who did not have a driver's license, and you're trying to fumble through the sentence of, you don't have a license, but here's your temporary driver's license. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Yeah. That's not why you can't. [Damien Leonard ]: Oh, thank you very much. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. That's me. [Speaker 4 ]: Yeah. Because And I have a note that judiciary the judicial clause may have [Andrew Collier ]: jurisdiction. Yeah. So on the on that form, it it's from the judicial bureau. Section twenty nine, fees. I am gonna try to explain this one as I can. Currently, a record, request. They're from before my time. A record could fit you could fit thirty three pages onto a I was told this green piece of paper thing or or green [Speaker 4 ]: Probably the the green bar. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Yes. Yeah. [Andrew Collier ]: And that's counted as one record. Okay. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: So Good to have older people. [Andrew Collier ]: So it's taking that it's dividing out those thirty three into what the new price is. So point three cents or thirty point or three point three zero three per record now as charging instead of trying to fumble through ten dollars a page, which I I I still don't really understand what that was. But [Patrick Brennan ]: Could it be they were after [Andrew Collier ]: one page on that? They're paying for ten dollars for the whole shebang. [Damien Leonard ]: They only needed one. Yes. It would, maybe. Yep. Yeah. [Speaker 4 ]: So I didn't. Yeah. Go ahead. So I'm familiar with sometimes companies will ask governments for like, give give me all your contracts just so that then they can do marketing to to the folks who are on that list. So and and I believe there was something that we changed relative to privacy, and and we stopped giving out the driver driver license list a few years ago, which is good. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Mhmm. [Speaker 4 ]: So these records are not driver's licenses, I would expect. [Andrew Collier ]: No. So these are still bulk order requests that come in that have to follow the the DPPA, driver protection [Speaker 4 ]: The privacy privacy. Privacy act. Yeah. [Andrew Collier ]: Thank you. And so there are still instances, like, insurance companies still have access to some of the information on [Vice Chair Becca White ]: that [Andrew Collier ]: so they can reference track, you know, someone their driver's record and is a there's some companies out there in the background that use that information and and purchase to support these. Like so Kelly Blue Book, for instance, if I put in my my VIN on my vehicle, it will pull up what my vehicle is and that for. So come so there are some instances where bulk data is sent out for companies to cross cross reference, but they have to follow what we have for our DPPA rule just Okay. To better assess. [Speaker 4 ]: Oh, that's federal rule? [Andrew Collier ]: Yes. On on sharing of some of these specific areas is federally. Interesting. [Speaker 4 ]: So Crossman Hall here is the IT and institutions committee and of which I'm the chair, and we're going to be doing IT things. So we might ask you to come or someone from your [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. [Speaker 4 ]: Division to just come and explain how that works. Sound great. Thank you. Yeah. [Andrew Collier ]: Okay. So section thirty is for us. When I first read what's currently in Sacramento on this, I honestly had no idea. So we are just clarifying what is here. We're not making any substantive changes. It's just making it so anyone can read what the read what's needed and and the cost and the fee associated with that is what is currently there. I'm sorry. It makes absolutely no sense. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: In legal certainty. [Andrew Collier ]: In legal sense. [Speaker 4 ]: Damian, explain that well. [Patrick Brennan ]: Yeah. When when two lawyers are reading that, they say, I don't know what that means. [Andrew Collier ]: And I'm not a lawyer. So you can imagine my take. I'm trying to understand that. Yeah. So just cleaning it up, it it's so it's everyone can just read it and understand what's expected. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: And then you've got the very exciting effective dates. Yes. Really outlandish July first of twenty twenty five. So thank you. You truly are all we had for today before lunch. So it's this is a great time if folks have questions or if there's something that's not in the DMV miscellaneous bill that you were either wanting to see or that we should bat around as a committee. I've got two items myself that I'm discussing with the chair on when it's appropriate to schedule those conversations, but just putting that out to the groups if there's topics that are missing. And did you have a question? [Damien Leonard ]: I did as well. I forgot to ask before on the veteran's exemption. So we added the commission fee. Would that opt to understand to the e b infrastructure fee? Because it says no fee that it says including the emission fee. Are we getting into a situation where we have to list all the different fees? [Andrew Collier ]: It's very personal, Senator. [Patrick Brennan ]: We'll [Andrew Collier ]: look to Malware. You know, upon the evening side I'm sorry. [Damien Leonard ]: Can you hear me? On the no fees for veterans if they apply for it, we added the admission fees Would it under no fees, does that include the the infrastructure fee, or should we if we wanted to, would we need to add that? You would [Andrew Collier ]: I at this point, it's just not including the infrastructure fee. [Damien Leonard ]: So that The exemption doesn't include Correct. So they would have to pay that. Correct. The other question, more of a statement from the and that is the there's not in here about the fees that we increased the registration fees in twenty twenty three. Another reason I'm bringing up is that the governor complained about it a lot, especially at point four. And then leading up to this session, we heard a lot of points about it. So I'm surprised that I don't see anything in the DMV fee bill and say, let's roll back those nineteen percent increases because we thought we needed to do it for revenue, but we are criticized more. But, yeah, I don't see the government suggesting it go down. So I know that's not you, but I just feel they'll help make that statement on the record. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Let me answer the part before you It looks like based on what we're gonna get from your budget that you were able to allocate the funds from all of those fee increases to relevant places. [Andrew Collier ]: Yeah. We've decreased our budget a little bit actually this year just because of we had up the staff for with limited service positions with the the past modernization project, because the team shifted over to work directly with the vendor. So they DNB brought in, in this fourteen limited service positions, so we're able to starting in July, [Patrick Brennan ]: one of those fourteen [Vice Chair Becca White ]: off the off the books as a project, comes up to completion here in November. [Andrew Collier ]: So I was sick of him [Patrick Brennan ]: out of when I came off the Okay. Okay. If [Vice Chair Becca White ]: there wasn't anything else that you wanted to share with us, we'd really appreciate you coming and presenting to us. Sorry that our chair is under the weather. But [Andrew Collier ]: Oh, thank you. It's my first time doing a building. [Vice Chair Becca White ]: Wow. Yeah.

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